Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

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If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

With regards to the London case, does anyone know if that could be revisited or appealed now that it has come to light that AH lied on the stand (about the divorce settlement donation and possibly other things)?

If a witness is known to have perjured the self, is that ground to retry the case!

Sorry, that should have been a ?, not an !.

And themself, not the self!

bloody autocorrect!

You are gaslighting in your posts here. The UK case and its verdict still stand. Its conclusions and evidence have been proved in a court of law. It's sweet that Depp supporters think their amateur understanding of a case in the US has any impact on UK justice. It doesn't.

They also clearly don't stand with victims of abuse. If they did, they would have followed the advice from DV charities and VAWG organisations that have explained how their narratives about DV are retraumatising victims.

And if, they decided to ignore the experts, and decided not only to continue to post in a damaging way but to deliberately come to a website that's known to support women who are living with or have fled abuse, then they are very obviously trying to create maximum hurt and trauma all under the pretext of 'defending' a wealthy man who doesn't even know they exist.

We know what patterns in DV look like. We know what gaslighting is. We know when posters are ignoring advice from experts in DV so they can pursue their own agenda. And we still know the result of the UK case.

Completely this.

I don't know how much more evidence the man has to produce to show how horribly she abused him. If a woman had a history of substance abuse we wouldn't be suggesting that this was "proof" that she MUST therefore have been the abuser. Absolutely zero evidence of him touching her, and the evidence against her stacked up. She doctored the photos - proven in court by an independent expert - she submitted the same photo and claimed they were different incidents. Members of the police force testified that she was lying. According to her, everyone is lying and wrong except for her - and her fraudulent evidence.

If you support and believe AH, I can only think you've not actually seen the evidence presented, or you have a deep-seated issue with believing men can be victims.

He's odd, has substance addiction issues and you wouldn't want your daughter getting into a relationship with him - but he isn't an abuser. He is a victim. With all the evidence proving his case, we'd never treat a woman the way he's been treated and disbelieved. And I say all this as someone who's not even a Depp fan.

I'm not sure the whole jury will believe there's enough evidence to meet all the counts required for defamation. But I hope she never works again in Hollywood. She's mounted a campaign of sheer malice against him and wrecked his reputation.

She's mounted a campaign of sheer malice against him and wrecked his reputation

Amber would have done this to Johnny regardless of whether she stayed with him or didn't. Narcissist have a habbit of destroying the person they are with, they have a need to win and also appear the victim, this is something universal about them.
I think Johnny knew that Amber was slowly destroying him whilst in the relationship but didn't fully understand why, his comment about her ambition was greater than her love for him was telling. I do think if they had stayed together Johnny would have retreated into himself more, drinking more, more substance abuse, not seeing his children as much to keep the peace. Her faux concern of his addictions were to place her in the light of the victim,when in reality she wouldn't have cared less if he'd od'd so long as his money was left to her.

She was angry, because he was wising up, she had not yet finished with him or used his benefits sufficiently, narcs do not liked to be discarded, they like to do the discarding, and she was not ready. So plan B, she did not get the settlement she wanted so she decided to ruin him and his reputation, the shame could have meant extracting more from him, it also had the added bonus of cashing in on her victimhood.

I am pleased he has had his day in court, Amber never banked on him doing this, she knew he was a very private person who really must have been mortified in having to lay bare all his private life to the world, his peers and his family.

She knew he felt shame, Amber does not feel shame, it is missing, along with empathy and love.

And for those who think Amber will come to harm after this trial if she loses, she will not be destroyed, she will already have many plan B's in the making, she thinks ahead, where others would hide in shame, she will not, narcissists do not understand shame.

For me this is not just about domestic abuse, it is about domestic abuse with a narcissist, Amber truly will not understand why this is monumently not going her way, she fully believes she has been abused, she doesn't understand fairness or truth, she can only see things from her point of view.

There is no reasoning with a narcissist, ever.

The post nup was the trigger for the narcissistic rage.

I do believe she was grinding him down daily, eroding his confidence and belittling him', you can tell in Johnny's voice he sounded worthless, she was convincing him of that and that had been going on for some time.

What would be the ultimate outcome for a narc or phychopath in a situation like this, torment an alcoholic and drug user to death, reap the rewards and then soak up the sympathy for having to put up with said alcoholic.

Yes, some people are that evil.

Some people on here are questioning his motives but really what would he have achieved by crushing her, I believed he loved her but became scared of what she was capable of, her lack of empathy.

He had a lucky escape.

I hope he finds someone to regain his trust in humanity again.

DaisyQuakeJohnson spot on. This thread is full of his flying monkeys.

Turn the sound down look at her body language then look at his.

He is enjoying torturing her. Enjoying acting the victim.

I think she defamed him in the op Ed but my knowledge of US law isn't good enough to know if his team have proved it? Certainly it was written about him and she intended malice. The question is wether the jury believe on the weight of evidence that it's more likely than not that he hit her at least once. Personally I don't think the evidence is there to show he did.

The counterclaim it's hard to prove she staged the scene although logic seems to show she did, I doubt he'set his burden of proof there. Although I seriously doubt he cares about monetary compensation from her either.

Dismiss both claims?

I can't believe there are still people on here who believe her. It's mind boggling to me having watched the trial.
As for the UK trial - what a joke.

As a dv and sa survivor I believe her.

I don't particularly like her but he's clearly been abusive according to the last judgement and am astounded at the vitriol and misogyny spouted against her.

Listen to Rottenborns closing and then say Depp wasn't abusive. It's disgusting that people explain away what Depp himself said and did.

As her team said in closing 'if you think they were both abusive to each other, she wins.'

But given what we have seen and heard of her behaviour, in this relationship and others, I find it incredible that she painted herself as a downtrodden victim and never expected to be challenged. I suppose she thought he wouldn't want his own failings exposed.

My opinion has completely changed after watching this trial. AH has just provided more ammunition for abusive men.

I don't think you quite understand how leave to appeal a civil case works in the UK. Appeals can only be granted if there has been an 'error in law' by the judge. No such error occurred therefore the appeal was denied. It is not predicated on the 'worthiness' or otherwise of JDs case. That being said Ms. Heard did perjure herself and risks being charged with that if she comes back to the UK. It is also possible the the Sun will go after her as she has caused them to lie to the court as well.
The whole thing is very sad. Two people who should never have been together, leading to huge unhappiness. Her biggest problem is that she actually has no real, provable evidence and should never have written that stupid piece about domestic violence. She then compounded that idiocy by claiming it wasn't about JD...and then admitted in court yesterday that it was. More perjury.

Unfortunately a lot of mn users have determined who is in the wrong based on what's between their legs .

I still haven't seen any proof he has hit her

And many others understand the dynamics of DA, and the effect this show trial has on the wider community.

You are so pleased to get your chance of a Two Minutes Hate. Well done, all of you.

I’ve watched most of the trial from the start and was of the initial view that of course she was telling the truth. Being a feminist. Totally changed my view now. I have found her behaviour chilling. It’s very sad that he struggled with addiction and she just took photos of him out of his mind. She’s a complete liar. Terrible business and so damaging for genuine survivors.

'I see the same. Those on here calling him an abusive piece of shit and moaning about mysogyny, shame on you. You've shown yourselves incapable of critical thinking and subject to pre-dispositions regarding men always being the abuser and women always being the victim. When you're a man on the receiving end, people don't believe you. Or they think you're a weak waste of space. And you people siding with AH are perpetuating that. I expect better in 2022.'

Oh look, a man has come along to lecture us all on how shameful we are for believing the woman. The woman who has been proven to have been abused by her partner in a court of law. Sorry for annoying you by 'moaning about misogyny' it must be terribly inconvenient for you and all the other poor men who just want to get on with gaslighting us that it is men who are more frequently victims of DV and not women.

As a survivor of an abusive, it has been a joke watching this, no way would I have sat in same room with my abuser, yet alone near him & look at him! Her body language says it all & his 2, she is the abuser, not him, I’m team Johnny all the way & women like her should be punished! Knowing the justice system, she will probably win but people will still hate her & love him, no matter what!

Watch Rottenborns summing up. He used what Johnny had said, and photos. Not what Amber said.

The trouble is there's no solid evidence. The jury need to find that the evidence points to him hitting her and being shit to someone when you're arguing just doesn't mean you hit them.

It's easy to rail against Amber because we have clear evidence she hit him.

But, I’m clearly watching a different trial to everyone else as I see a vile man, with a history of violence, drug and alcohol problems - who writes messages in his own blood FFS, it’s not exactly a stretch to believe he hit her.
I agree.
AH is a vile woman with a similar history.
They should have never been together or aired all their crazy shit in public.

They will have to find in her favour. She had every legal right to write what she did. There is no proof that it ruined him and if it did good. He is vile. How awful that people are so blind to how people Like him operate. This is the very reason why victims don't speak out.

The trouble is there's no solid evidence. The jury need to find that the evidence points to him hitting her and being shit to someone when you're arguing just doesn't mean you hit them.

This is the whole issue with domestic and sexual violence. Its always 2 contradictory versions, there's often little evidence due to the shame felt by the victim (man or woman). I don't think the adversarial approach works in this case as it relies on someone being "a liar" when reality is more complex than that.

I think in this case the photos/witnesses are good corroboration that she was abused. I also think what she said in the op ed was true (because I don't read it as aimed at anyone, I read it as her life experience) and so it can't be defamatory. The burden of proof is on Johnny's team to prove it was defamatory and I don't think they have done that.

However that's just my perspective and I'm not on the jury.

She had to sit in the room so she fought back and why should he be allowed to ruin her life. I see a very distressed uncomfortable woman. Whilst he snigger and jokes. It's a farce.