Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

[Egtermekaar]

If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

I am not sure why he argues that people are wrong to infer the OpEd is about Johnny. He is refuting evidence from his own client who testified in rebuttal that it was about Johnny. These two were also under NDAs so the first amendment argument doesn't apply.

Regardless of the outcome they have both lost. They've shown themselves up to both be drug addled, violent, self-obsessed idiots who shouldn't be around decent people.

That is a very biased assessment. If you watch the trial, at various times both of them laugh, joke, smile, roll their eyes, shake their heads etc. Amber tends to give a wider range of facial expressions. There are many occasions where neither looks uncomfortable and other occasions where each of them looks uncomfortable. I have seen little difference when it comes to their facial expressions while sitting listening to testimony.

Watch Amber duing Johnny's rebuttal testimony - none of that is a distrssed uncomfortable woman.

I think you're probably right in legal terms, I don't think either party has proved their case.

There's a question around wether its true for her to represent herself as the face of domestic violence and I take huge exception to that piece. She has a charge for DV already and unquestionably hit Depp.

I think both cases should be gotten rid of and Amber Heard at the very least should go quiet but at most get perjury charges for the doctored photos. She's made a mockery of the court and victims of DV by exaggerating or making up claims in my view.

Interesting to be on the jury or maybe they're sick of it!

What do all of those defending Johnny make of his texts about burning her and then raping her dead burned body to make sure she’s really dead?

That says an awful awful lot about him.

I can imagine what the reaction would have been if she texted that about him!!!

at most get perjury charges for the doctored photos
There's no proof she doctored the photos. The forensic expert said he found the originals in the submission and they hadn't been edited

It's clear some posters didn't follow the UK case or didn't understand it. Go back. Read only Depp's words. Ignore everything else. See what he admitted in the UK court.

Since everyone is adamant that they stand with abuse victims, this seems a good space to share facts about DV and to start to counter all the false stereotypes that are being perpetuated:

On average high-risk victims live with domestic abuse for 2.3 years and medium risk victims for 3 years before getting help

85% of victims sought help on average five times from professionals in the year before they got effective help to stop the abuse

On average victims experience 50 incidents of abuse before getting effective help

Two women per week (in England and Wales) are killed by a former or current partner

Each year 50,000 high-risk victims and 70,000 children are on the radar with agencies working on DV. More than 90% of these victims are female, and 5-10% are male. 15% are black, Asian or minority ethnic (BAME). 4% are disabled. 1% are lesbian, gay, bisexual or trans (LGBT).

4,774,000 women in the U.S. experience physical violence by an intimate partner every year.

1 in 4 women in the US will experience domestic violence during their lifetime

In the US, 3 women are murdered per day by an intimate partner

Statistics from Safe Lives and Refuge UK and LiveYourDreamUS

The drowing / burning comments are from a Monty Python skit. If you see the full text exchange, Deuters response to the burn her / drown her comments is we must confirm before we pronounce her a witch - again directly from Monty Python.

These were private texts between two friends with one person angry about a partner. They are ugly words but based on a known skit. Monty Python is not for everyone but we know Depp has a weird sense of humour and I am not surprised he liked Monty Python.

As mentioned earlier, my start-out, default is position I Believe Her.

I watched the entire case, from beginning to end (and not just the closing arguments).

In this instance, I no longer believe AH. I believe she lied - and she lied long, deep and hard. She got other people (well, namely her misfortune sister) to lie for her.

People's anger is misplaced. AH rode roughshod over other abuse survivors to promote herself and delightedly took up the "ambassadorship" for abuse survivors loudly proclaiming herself a "heroine" and leader - on the eve of her big movie launch.

She barefacedly lied about "donating" money to survivors and to dying children, claiming ultimately that she needed the money to defend herself. She had that money sitting in her bank account for 14 months before any case was made against her.

She lied maliciously about her Op-Ed, only to confess the truth on the stand in the last minutes of her testimony. She lied about her arrest for beating her previous spouse.

She's a liar. She sickens me.

She is the one who has made it more difficult for people (women, in particular) to speak up.

Just because you happen to have a vagina doesn't mean you have to blindly support AH (or anyone). In fact if I recall correctly, the figure for Justice bears a weighing scale and her eyes are covered.

“Although I seriously doubt he cares about monetary compensation from her either.”

He’s sueing for an awful lot of money if he doesn’t care about it...

“As a survivor of an abusive, it has been a joke watching this, no way would I have sat in same room with my abuser, yet alone near him & look at him!”

She didn’t have a choice, he keeps sueing so she has to go.

I don't think Monty Python do a sketch about fucking burned corpses

At this point he isn't suing her for any money. Did you listen to the closing statements?

And she chose to be at the UK trial. She only had to show up as a witness but she chose to attend the rest of the days as well.

If it turns out that Amber "wins" although there are no winners in such an awful case, then an abused woman has had to face numerous court hearings and vile public abuse including people saying her baby should be killed. All of which are worse than the original abuse.
How can any woman survive that mentally.
I had a similar "trial" in the family courts where my ex husband fought me for 5 long years for custody of my son. He was about to be given full custody of DS because he presented as cool, confident and reasonable in court and I was seriously planning to flee abroad with DS because I knew how violent he really was when he fucked up and tried to murder me in front of witnesses. Then it all came out and he lost a case that he had been winning. He never saw me or DS again and thank God we didn't have to go on the run.
We don't know what really happened, but if this is a case of an abused woman by God she's been put through hell and back.

And as for being in the same courtroom - I was also obliged to face him in court again and again and again. It was one way he had control over me.

I know, I think he lied. Just my feeling. This bit specifically would be easy to prove.

There were no actual original photos. Her own expert said he took them off an iPhone 11 - which came out in 2017. Amber said she no longer had any of her phones from the time of the marriage and therefore couldn't provide originals of anything. That is why no metatdata was allowed with specific pictures.

• any phones from the time of her marriage / relationship

Midlifemusings

Humour you say?

Depp then says: “Let’s drown her before we burn her!!! I will f* her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she is dead.”

You are utterly deluded.🙄

I don't think she comes across well, there was tales of her shouting at her assistant, there's video evidence of her sister being black and blue from amber beating her, her ex said she was abusive, it doesn't look good.

Johnny doesn't look good either, he's a drunk with a nasty tongue.

Abuse happened both ways.

I did feel some sympathy for amber when she mentioned the hatred she receives daily, it's very disproportionate. Harvy weinstein didn't get this much, nor do murderers and pedophiles.

I believe being public figures, they deserve to be called out publicly for their bad behaviour to an extent. But why anyone would wish Amber and her child dead I don't know. Hopefully they can just get counselling and she can move on with her life.

Same argument 6wks in.

Ignore the FACT that she admits to hitting him because he wrote some mean things in a private txt

Oh I see, I had that wrong. I didn't realize they were from an old phone. My bad.

The monty python burn/drown the witch skit.
www.mit.edu/afs.new/sipb/user/ayshames/Python/WITCH.PYTHON

Absolutely zero reference to raping their corpses.

Oh look another "go away you horrible man" nutcase. Get your head out of your backside and open your eyes. "A woman who has now been proven to have lied in the previous case and this one", I believe you meant.

The mind absolutely boggles.

Ohhh I see! That’s absolutely fine then. It was all just a silly joke.

Thanks Random Man! Thank god you’re here to monitor the nutcases.