Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

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If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

"If someone abused me, for years, in private and then spent the time after we split up maliciously paying PR firms to destroy my reputation in public."

I must have missed that evidence in the courtroom.

"He could have come out after the op ed and said something like "I'm aware of some of the issues amber had in her life prior to meeting me, and commend her for using her voice for victims of abuse"

Well she didn't leave it at the op ed did she. For how long was he supposed to ignore her retelling of the narrative that painted herself as an abuse victim and him as the abuser? I certainly believed that narrative. But this has proven that she was far from a victim.

Having seen the latest video , of Depp where depending on whether your team Depp or Team Heard he's either taunting Whitney or inviting Amber's lawyer for a fight, if he's brazen enough to do that in a court room then just what else is he capable of.

100% this

It seems you missed Adam Waldman refusing to answer questions as he didn't want to incriminate himself in a crime, and Johnny Depp attempting to get Amber Heards counterclaim thrown out by claiming Waldman was responsible for the smear campaign, which hadnothing to do with him.

Oh, and Heards expert showing the impact of the campaign on her career.

But again, this is about perspectives. His perspective is being portrayed as she bad mouthed him, he deserves to have his side heard. I'm saying, her perspective could be he abused and smeared her, she deserves to have her side heard.

It's misogyny to claim his perspective is more valid than hers. Because it implies two things: Men have more right to tell their story, women should shut up. And women who behave a certain way should expect to be abused.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amber-heard-johnny-depp-waldman-statements-b2086495.html%3famp

www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.in/entertainment/news/amber-heard-has-lost-up-to-50-million-due-to-abuse-hoax-claims-industry-expert-testifies/amp_articleshow/91771432.cms

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-adam-waldman-trial-b2082930.html%3famp

Accurate.

Shame on all the misogynistic socially conditioned sheep that defend JD without any balance.

Regardless of the outcome, the only winners from this are abusive men.

They've seen how easy it is to manipulate the public; to throw mud at abuse victims. They've highlighted the lack of understanding of DV in the public domain. And they've shown that social media platforms and forums do not care about the damaging effect of abuser-led discussions on victims as long as they can get clicks and sell advertising.

Kate Moss's testimony was a game changer. Amber Heard is toast now IMO.

Really want Johnny Depp to win. I think he will.

Justfiveminutes Well she didn't leave it at the op ed did she. For how long was he supposed to ignore her retelling of the narrative that painted herself as an abuse victim and him as the abuser? I certainly believed that narrative. But this has proven that she was far from a victim.

Where are these victim requirements to be found and does anyone else have to meet them, or just those sued by Johnny Depp?

I don't think he was looking at Whitney (the angles are wrong) but he was 100% getting belligerent with Heard's lawyer. He looks like a man who is very comfortable with violence and aggression to me. Can't keep up the tortured soul act even with millions watching.

Having watched the closing arguments, Johnny's teams was more compelling and credible than Amber's, without a shadow of a doubt

I hope think she will win. She only has to prove that he hit her once which is obvs he did.
I don't get the hate for the woman. He abused her and she hit him back...so because she didn't passively take the beating she is an abuser. He is a drunk and a drug addict and seen as more credible?!?!?

Being a drunk doesn't make you abusive. I firmly believe it was the other way round.

Being a drunk doesn't make you abusive. I firmly believe it was the other way round.

How does he remember what he did?? SHe had to video him to remind him. If he is so out of it he passes out how does he even remember what he did.

I see the same. Those on here calling him an abusive piece of shit and moaning about mysogyny, shame on you. You've shown yourselves incapable of critical thinking and subject to pre-dispositions regarding men always being the abuser and women always being the victim. When you're a man on the receiving end, people don't believe you. Or they think you're a weak waste of space. And you people siding with AH are perpetuating that. I expect better in 2022.

100% THIS! ^ 👏

Actually, when you study evidence as a professional practical requirement of entry to the legal profession, you are taught how and why women tend to be less believed as witnesses than men, and made aware of the statistics given and studies that prove it (no, I am not going to dig them out free of charge to educate you).

But of course critical thinking is determined by not believing what someone on an internet site insists in the truth...

If this wasn't all so serious and sending such a bad message about abuse all over the world, it would be amusing how apparent Depp fans manage to post constantly about this case whilst missing the large magazine spreads Depp did about Heard before her op ed was published; and these super fans also apparently missed or completely misunderstood the findings of the London case.
No matter the outcome of the US case, the London findings still stand. Everyone still sees Depp for what he is. Now, we also get to see those who defend him for who they are too.

If the US case finds differently from the London one, all it will have proved is that justice in the US is for sale to famous men and that their court system is happy to be used as a further conduit for abuse. But we all know that about the US anyway.

Regardless of who is right and wrong, she really comes across as an awful woman. She's done herself no favours!

I think she’s lying. I don’t understand how anybody can have followed the trial and found her credible.

Both are clearly very damaged, troubled people.

i found the audio of her taunting him and laughing quite chilling.

I started from the default "I believe her" and was disappointed to think JD was that sort of man - I've admired him as an actor and how he's always striven for a private life - but I believed her.

I have watched every minute of this trial.

At the end of it all, I do NOT believe her. I think she is a liar. I think she has many, many problems (as does JD, for sure) but I'm convinced based on the evidence and testimony I listened to that she lied and lied and lied. She's despicable.

You do realise, @DaisyQuakeJohnson , that Depp was not allowed to enter into evidence the information the US courts permitted, yes?

You seem to think that's an insignificant fact? Right-oh then

night all

Your posts are straight up offensive. Do you think assaulting someone then taunting them about it is "standing up" to someone? Good God. The mind boggles.

There was a point - when I read the posts that obviously have no understanding about abusive relationships - that I thought those posters were lucky to have been so sheltered. To have never had to think deeply about the patterns in VAWG.

But, now I think, it may be fine to have no understanding of the legal system in the UK. And it may be a blessing to have no close understanding of the dynamics of abuse. But, actually, there's no excuse for revelling in ignorance.

They're not sheltered or blessed - they're just devoid of empathy and are quite happy to retraumatise victims of DV whilst perpetuating that latest myth - that there is no-one as persecuted as a wealthy male who can pursue his grievances through courts across the world.

Thank you! How many times are people defending AH going to reference the UK case when a good portion of what she said has now been proven to be a lie, and when there were various pieces of evidence not accepted? Some of the evidence that was submitted has now been credibly disputed or even debunked.

I'd go as far as to say any findings in the UK case are now essentially irrelevant.

It's staggering, how willing some people are to automatically believe women. I was painted as an abusive, narcissistic gaslighter. People believed this and often threatened physical violence against me. Meanwhile, I was letting this woman live in my house for free (after her "friends" basically turfed her out), letting her 18 year old autistic son live with us for free (who she never ever took out or spent any time with, despite me attempting to encourage her), taking her on holidays, all paid for by me, having to work from home while she stood in the background, drunk at 8am and making belittling comments while I was on work calls, separating me from my family and friends, starting arguments with me about female friends until I cut them off etc.

I've been there. I've been made out to be the abuser. I've been refused a restraining order despite months of harassment via email and social media after finally getting her out of my house, I've reported numerous incidents to the police and then found out via their online portal they've concluded their investigations without anyone informing me or her even being interviewed and no action being taken and I've had to take myself to therapy because of the defensive mess she turned me into which ruined the relationship that followed. All the while, I've never lifted a finger against a woman. I've never gaslighted a person. I've never abused anyone. But there are still people out there who think I have. It's horrendous, having to just accept that people think that way about you, despite everything you've been put through.

So yes, I am over the moon that a man has finally stood up and brought an abusive woman to account. I am reassured that people will believe the truth. I am encouraged that a falsely damaged reputation can be salvaged.

But that doesn't mean I want to see genuine female victims put off coming forward. It doesn't mean that I don't have an issue with the low rate of rape convictions. It doesn't make me a mysoginist. I stand by ALL victims of abuse, male or female. I'd encourage some of you to do the same.