Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

[Egtermekaar]

If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

She doesn’t represent me either, she’s awful. But her being awful doesn’t make him good or even adequate. He’s a fucking terrible excuse for a human being. And no one would be impressed by someone who drank that much, took that many drugs and was that piss poor of a father if they worked in Argos, so why are they impressed because he used to be good looking in the 90s and traded off that enough to string out a career?

The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
She presented evidence of the abuse as well as witnesses to testify what she experienced and recorded his disgusting outbursts. She defended herself and was called the abuser.

He smirks mocks and waves to his adoring fans grandstanding outside the court. She looks and behaves like she is reliving the trauma and she is mocked called vile names.

It's beyond belief.

Do you have a source that the jury was exposed to those fans?

Can you admit you have a bias in how you interpret his and her actions and his and her words?

He has a slick media machine controlling the media. MSN is not as powerful anymore as controlling the narrative especially in America. Look at Trump.
His behaviour demonstrated who he is. He set out to ruin her for standing up to him.

You really think Depp controlled MSM? Have you even looked at the MWS headlines during the trial and since the verdict? They are not pro Johnny.

You are getting into irrational ranting here..

MSM not MWS!

Can you?

AH's lawyers were/are awful, and still trying to defend her, criticising the jury and the judge.

But then again I doubt any good lawyer would have wanted to represent AH

AH fucked up her own case with the pledge/donate fiasco, representing the same photo as different photos and bringing up Kate Moss thus enabling Kate to appear and say 'didn't happen'.

AH just wasn't credible.

As for the UK trial, that was a judge only trial - so just one person hearing the evidence compaired to 7?? Jurors in the US.

Its a different legal system and the UK trial was JD against a newspaper - AH didn't 'win' it, she was just a witness.

I think less evidence and witnesses were permitted in the UK trial, again possibly because AH was just a witness although IANAL

Also she lied in the UK trail about the payments she made to charity, that may have influenced the outcome.

So I wouldn't call the UK trail a 'win' for Amber.

Of course. I have posted many times about how we all have bias - every human. I haven't taken the kind of strong stand you have - I have an opinion but I am not name calling people or commenting on how people look and speak as some kind of assesssment of who they are as people.

The UK trial was probably more reliable because it was a judge not a jury. A judge could properly disregard evidence that wasn’t actually relevant to what they were supposed to be deciding on, and potentially less vulnerable to DARVO techniques. JD tried to make the UK trial all about AH when it was between him and the Sun and he didn’t get away with it. No fan of the Sun but I was glad he lost that one.

@mynamesnotMa interesting (and illogical perspective). Camilla was a good lawyer, that's all. And btw, she's also a woman.

Amber appealing doesn't surprise me at all. Abusers often use repeated things liek that to hound their victims - I wonder if she will have consequences for once again referring to herself as an abuse victim on social media?

The witnesses didn't testify - the witnesses were overwhelmingly pro Johnny. She lied, and lied, and lied, and lied.

"She looks and behaves like she is reliving the trauma" I don't know what trial you were watching. Johnny looked like he was reliving the trauma, she smirked!

Many people have bias and will disregard the US case for whatever reason and hold into the U.K. one, as is their choice

There’s a lot of noise around it (he has been the subject of two civil cases but not actually on trial for the crime) but I don’t agree the US case should be disregarded

Onto..

The case is only being disregarded because Johnny won.

If Amber did, this would be a different thread and anyone supporting Johnny would be shot down - yet its perfectly fine for people to continue to defame him and support an abusive liar.

Johnny looked like he was reliving the trauma, she smirked!

Oh please; he was smirking and looked smug as fuck the whole way through. He’s not a victim of anything, his media machine have manipulated people into seeing him as some kind of hero freedom fighter and I’m disappointed so many are falling for it. Reliving trauma my arse.

Believing that Johnny won because he's a man is misandry!
Johnny didn't win " because he's a man"
Johnny won because its almost impossible to "prove" abuse happens and because "person has life ruined by false allegations" is seen as more important than "abuse victim gets justice"

I can give you lots of cases where this has happened, famous people and ordinary people. Its systematic.

Men are more often abusers so this set up protects them (and enables them to abuse more) and disadvantages women who are more often victims.

Bleating about "misandry" in a case where the man won seems a bit odd.to me. Johnny blatantly demeans and disrespects women and you ignore that while complaining that feminists hate men based on the fact we are talking about the implications of the case.

See here's the thing.

As "feminists", which I am presuming given your support of Amber because she's a woman that you are, that's actually quite patronising and insulting. I'm a fully fledged intelligent human being, able to make up my own mind and assess situations. I do not need other people to tell me what I am "falling for" or what I've been manipulated into. I have watched the case. Fortunately for the majority of people, Amber supporters are few and far between, and she's been proved to be the abusive liar in front of the nation. She's finished, and I am glad. Given her statement yesterday where she once again referred to herself as a victim (the irony of your post is Johnny doesn't see himself as some kind of hero freedom fighter, but Amber sees herself as some sort of beacon of DA victims, there to inspire us all, and she has disgustingly ridden the coat tails of real victims to do so, and I'm glad it's backfired) , she is the one trying to manipulate.

Johnny was abused by his mother, mocked about his children and encouraged to self harm by Amber - I am quite astonished that you don't think that's reliving trauma - I assume that you would do if it was Amber, of course, because she's a woman.

He didn't look smug as fuck or smirk. He was respectful, he looked tat the lawyers, as opposed to Amber who deliberately targeted the jury - and Camilla pulled her up more than once for speaking over her and not answering questions and addressing the jury directly. The footage of him laughing is at amber's incompetent lawyer, not at Amber.

It's a landmark case because of the misandry int he world (and alive and well on MN) and that's why people are celebrating it.

This is just total nonsense, Adam. Total and utter nonsense - and several statements which are misandry. You just don't see it. Misandry, like any other stereotype, is blanket statements about someone based on their sex. "Men are more often abusers so this set up protects them and enables them to abuse more" is misandry in itself. I know Johnny didnt win because hes a man, he won because hes an abuse victim and she's a manipulative, abusive liar, but several PPs have suggested this.

And as for "bleating", it's interesting that you don't show me the same respect as a woman that you show Amber. If I used that term to describe any of you talking about abused victims, there'd be a pile on. I assume its only OK because I'm defending a man.

Re the implications of the case, I hope it continues to help people see that woman do lie, they do manipulate, and she is a disgrace to real victims as she attempted to ride their coat tails and it backfired.

I missed whatever was said and deleted, probably a good thing! It's always telling how nasty folk get when they don't get their own way isn't it?

I'm a man BTW, if that last bit was meant to be about me. If not, ignore me!

The right outcome was achieved. Some folk are just too far gone, it seems. Sad really.

What difference does having a vagina make? She is a lawyer paid to represent her client. You call me illogical😀

Ah sorry, I just assumed she!

PP suggested you were probably happy that OJ Simpson got away with his crime. Foul.

Yes, it's intersting to see the bile from the Amber supporters today. What's making me chuckle though is that regardless of their keyboard tapping, Johnny's still won, and Amber is still finished.

What a glorious example of whatabouttery. This thread is nothing to do with that. That doesn't mean people don't support those victims too ffs.

The depp supporters are a little bit like the q anon gang.