Who will win between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation case

[Egtermekaar]

If you were jury in this case, how would you decide?

I think Johnny Depp will win because he had strong, reliable and consistent evidence of "his" case

I hope MN will allow debate about a matter of public interest.

My overriding thought in all the cases that have happened between them is that two wrongs don't make a right, and that the real winners are the lawyers.

What I hope does not happen is that Amber Heard's behaviour becomes an excuse for other men to be coercive, violent or otherwise abusive.

There was very clear evidence that Depp consistently abused her. That is why the court ruled the way it did.

@Tillsforthrills somebody has to be!

In all honesty, some of this stuff triggers me a little because of my own experiences. I make no secret of that. I won't have someone accuse me of gaslighting or claiming I've said more men get abused by women etc. when I've done no such thing. That's extremely out of order.

I actually feel massively sorry for AH. People don't behave like that unless they themselves are extremely damaged. I hope out of all of this, both of them get the help they need.

Can you link this clear evidence

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/Assets/Documents/PDF/High-Profile/Depp%2520v%2520Heard/CL-2019-2911-def-judicial-notice-4-13-2021.pdf

I get a 404

Sorry - I tried to take the Google bollox off it
Try this
www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/Assets/Documents/PDF/High-Profile/Depp%20v%20Heard/CL-2019-2911-def-judicial-notice-4-13-2021.pdf

It's pdf so needs to be downloaded
I did see a version with a load of texts at the back which was really informative but typically now I can't find it. Really would urge everyone to watch the closing statements though fir a good summary of both sides

I watched the whole thing. And I followed the UK trial, during which AH committed perjury. The verdict heavily relied on her own unsubstantiated statements so isn't worth the paper it's written on.

I'm still incredulous that anyone is supporting her. I think the problem is that Depp is an oddball with a history of drug addiction. He has a bit of a dark sense of humour. All of this plus people feeling a natural infinity for the woman means that some will never believe him, despite all the evidence. There's nothing to support AH other than her own wild claims which aren't substantiated. She's been proven to lie repeatedly. Even her own barristers admitted that she lies.

If the sexes were reversed we would never point to a woman's history of drug and alcohol as proof that she must be violent. The double standards are sickening.

I have heard women joking about doing deeply unpleasant things to their ex, including to their penis. I have heard women joking about being incredibly violent to their ex. Not everyone lets off steam in the same way. But it's a ridiculous claim to suggest that this proves that someone is somehow violent or deeply vile etc.

And FWIW, I'm a DV and SA survivor too so it's not a case of "not understanding" Heard which has been claimed by some. I think she's an awful narcissist. I imagine he's a nightmare to be in a relationship with but I don't think he's an abuser in any way.

I think people are so entrenched in their views now, that neither side will be persuaded.

I hope JD wins - but he’s got it stacked against him. I think on the bigger stage tho - he’s definitely exposed her and her lies, she’s finished in Hollywood. The fake no tears crying was so cringe worthy. Her ‘experts’ we frankly - bizarre. The fact someone compared her earning losses to Jason M and Gal Gadot - absolutely laughable. She’s a D list actress at best. The fiddling with the pictures - abhorrent. JD is by no means a saint - far from it. But we haven’t seen or heard anyone bar Whitney and Amber say this - and they’re both liars. We have tape recordings of AH admitting to hitting him. However - the trolling of AH is totally unnecessary.

She's suing for twice as much as him but actually both sides have said they're not bothered about the money, they just want to have a finding in their favour.

To be fair he also looked at two pictures that were exactly the same, had the same date, time - down to the second, and file name and said they could be two different photos. So I don't know how much faith the jury will have in him.

I just can't help feel we are seeing the biggest drug /alcoholic ,denial ever on a public stage.

He just wants to be an addict and as long as his body holds out he can and blame everyone else.

As pp said way back it's his parents.

It might be a mixed verdict. They each have 3 claims that can be found as defamation or not defamation. The jury may find no defamation in two claims and defamation in one claim etc

For example if the jury doesn't believe she was sexually assaulted then that could be a win for Johnny on that claim in his case and it would also be a win on her case for the claim about the sexaul abuse hoax. But if they do think that the slamming cupboards and nasty texts mean that she should be able to present herself as a public figure representing domestic violence, then she might win on that claim that there was no defamation and on her own claim that it was all fake.

Well said .

you have to ignore male and female roles in this and watch every testimony. Because one of them is telling lies.

And I think it’s obvious who it is .

“If the sexes were reversed we would never point to a woman's history of drug and alcohol as proof that she must be violent.”

But you’ve got to add in the history of an assault charge and other offences of violence.

If someone accused Naomi Campbell - who is the only high profile woman I can think of with a history of addiction and assault charges of being violent, I’d definitely err on the side of believing she did it.

It’s not about sex.

That is ridiculous .
stats don’t prove anything .

a large proportion of those women won’t have
their own income
their friends living next door rent free
her own private nurse and doctor
access to security guards
her own transport ( free car)

ignore who is the woman in this case .

not all women are 100% honest
not all men liars .

I can't help but think that whoever loses in this is going to be devastated. And the other one will lord it.
One of them is telling the truth and the other is lying. AH has told a lot of lies but she could also be telling the truth about some incidents. JD does seem to be a loose cannon when on drugs, but he might never have sexually assaulted her.
Their lives hang on this decision. I hope the jury makes either both of them lose or both of them win.

Amber Heard literally lied to the High Court about donating the full amount of her divorce settlement. Part of the High Court judgment refers to this - her having “given that sum away”. She lied about donating money to poorly children. She could be done for perjury. Any credibility she may have had is gone.

As for “pledged” and “donated”. Frankly those attempts to twist things make it even more heinous.

I think JD will lose but he won't be devastated. If you look at the jury's instructions, it is vanishingly unlikely that they can find in his favour. Many think he brought the case to publicly air the facts from their marriage, tell his side of the story and win back some public and industry support. I think he'll probably feel like he's won no matter what the verdict is.

It might be that he feels vindicated by the public but I think she'll go to town with articles and interviews calling him all sorts because she'll have the right to. His future will be her constantly excoriating him.
But if he wins, we'll have interviews of him trying to rehabilitate himself. And she'll carry on being dreadfully abused by the public.
I just dont think either outcome reflects the reality of a couple that span themselves into such a toxic situation.

'Oh look another "go away you horrible man" nutcase.'

Woman doesn't agree with you = she must be a nutcase. Ok then.

I think his future is going to be finding it increasingly hard to find work and dying early linked to drink and drugs, personally. He can barely string a coherent sentence together at the moment.

When his money dries up he's going to find his support does too.

I don't know what will happen to her, I think her acting career is probably over but she probably has enough connections to make a career linked to acting and she's not as old/drug addicted as Depp so stands a better chance of coming out of this.