American needs to fight against terror closer to home

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And focus their energy on teenage boys who seem to be causing terror frequently by shooting us schools. Supermarkets etc etc.

What never ceases to amaze me is somehow these shooters manage to escape the stereotypes that others ethnic groups find it impossible to shake off.

RIP to those dead ok the latest massacre in the US.

The US needs to fight against terror and start with those close to home.

Banning guns would not prevent anyone from having easy access to guns any more than banning drugs stopped people having easy access to heroin or cocaine, or Prohibition stopped people having access to alcohol.

What other country with mass gun ownership and a strong gun culture has banned guns?

australia, i believe. And I think Canada still has a high proportion of gun owners (cause bears) but heavy gun control measures have ended mass shootings.

Police officers just wouldn't be prepared to kill their neighbours and friends who had been law-abiders all their lives, now branded criminals because they own a gun

why the fuck would the police have to kill someone because they own a gun? if you bring in at least some measures- licencing, type of weapon, secure cabinets etc they can still legally own a gun. I am in the uk and my neighbour legally owns a gun.

hate to break it to you, but police in countries with gun control don’t need to be routinely armed. And funnily enough we don’t have as many police civilian shootings.

speaking of, does anyone know whether gun owners are predominantly white? Just thinking a black man with a gun, even if legal, is likely to be shot on sight.

Prohibition stopped people having access to alcohol

and how fucking ridiculous is it that americans thought banning alcohol wasn’t a problem, yet banning guns is?

As Boden is saying, an 18 year old on his Birthday shouldn't be able to walk into a store and buy two semi automatic rifles. That's just madness. Making things stricter for under 25 year olds is perhaps the popular way to go. The bullying and poverty certainly need addressing. Some of the child abuse cases are horrific. In one case the Police didn't know what had happened, landlord found pictures and videos of torture. The killing mirrored others, prolonged videoing in cold showers, tied up etc, all being put online. So there's obviously a child torture ring happening. Yet there isn't the reaction you'd expect. They need tighter controls across a lot of departments.

Biden, not Boden, obviously.

Why bother with banning anything at all then. Might as well not have laws at all, because someone somewhere will always break them. 🤔

"why the fuck would the police have to kill someone because they own a gun?"
Because some people would refuse to obey the new laws. A lot of people in American believe very strongly in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, I have relatives in the US and while I wouldn't say they'd be prepared to die rather than lose their guns, they do feel strongly about it and there will be people who feel a lot more strongly than them, who would be prepared to die rather than give up what they see as their God given right to bear firearms.

banning fire arms in America would just lead to hundreds if not thousands of Waco’s in the very pro 2A states

Yes it will.

In texas you can carry a handgun with no licence required whatsoever.

You can walk into a fucking supermarket, buy a fucking gun and bullets as easily as you can a loaf of bread.

If you think that isn't a problem then you need your head examined.

In the USA ordinary people can own assault rifles. There is NO justification for that. None. Nobody outside of the military needs an assault rifle.

It'll never change though. Politicians will come on TV, mumble about how awful it is and how the victims are in their prayers and NOTHING will change. And then a month later we have another 25 dead kids.

Fuck the lot of them and anyone who defends gun rights in the face of that.

Look back to your home country. Guns are not illegal, but you have to have a bloogy good reason to have one, and they are better regulated.
Obv, making them illegal is impossible; what will the army fight with? But to compare banning guns to herioin or cocaine is disiningenuous and ridicu,ous. One cannot go into a classroom and instantly kill the occupanys with a bag of drugs ffs

The USA seems like a broken country now.
I feel so sorry for its citizens.

Is there any topic, however horrible, that can't be derailed into a race row?

Is there any topic, however horrible, that can't be derailed into a race row?

That's American cultural imperialism for y'all

Until there is the political will across the two main parties there will be no solution. Yesterday's event, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas etc etc are the price many are willing to pay for their precious 18th century Amendment, maybe they should say OK, we'll keep it but it will only apply to 18th century weapons.
The fact is it would be political suicide for any politician to push for further gun control, many Americans think it's too strict already.

Banning guns wouldn't result in there being no guns any more than banning alcohol resulted in there being no alcohol or banning drugs resulted in there being no drugs on the street. If anything, banning makes things worse as you go from there being some control to no control, you put the control into the hands of criminals who don't care about the law, they'll sell guns to kids just like they sell drugs to kids.

Banning guns wouldn't result in there being no guns any more than banning alcohol resulted in there being no alcohol or banning drugs resulted in there being no drugs on the street. If anything, banning makes things worse as you go from there being some control to no control, you put the control into the hands of criminals who don't care about the law, they'll sell guns to kids just like they sell drugs to kids

so how come this has not been the case in every other country that has banned guns?

what makes the US so different? And as it stands there is no control in any places- in this case for example “gun control” = you must be over 18 to buy a gun. That’s it.

To call a Latino/a person white in America completely ignores the supreme injustice they suffer at every turn. Ignorant statement at best
Is there any topic, however horrible, that can't be derailed into a race row?

She's right though. There's some staggering ignorance on here about the prejudice that the Hispanic and Latino population in the U.S face, not to mention the ignorance about how many countries they originate from and their very diverse ancestry, sometimes including Indigenous peoples.

It's completely irrelevant what British posters would consider them to be.

They're not comparable.

There are millions of people who want alcohol and drugs so there's a market for criminals to exploit. There aren't millions of people desperate to shoot dead young children so there's not the same money to be made. Of course there is a criminal market for illegal guns but it's tiny and brings me on to my second point ..

Mass shootings are often opportunistic. There might be some planning involved but what is key is that these people were able to readily and easily access their gun and ammunition at a moment's notice. They could literally flip one morning and off they go. If they had to instead source an underground gun plus the money required (because they would be far more expensive) it would remove the opportunity for many.

I'm sorry, no.

This is a shit argument.

In the USA it's really easy to get guns. Lots of people get shot by private citizens with legal guns.

In countries where it's really hard to get guns, very few people get shot by private citizens.

This is not a co-incidence. Make it much harder to get guns = less people have them = less people get shot.

Fucking simple as that.

Because in states like California and Texas the electorate want guns, so any politician that tries change the law wouldn't be voted in again.

Biden, and others, I think aluded to this in his speech last night. That it is cowardice for politicians to not stand by their principles, even in the face of huge opposition. I'm not a great fan of Biden but his speech last night was one of his best

Yesterday's event, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas etc etc are the price many are willing to pay for their precious 18th century Amendment

I'm afraid so; much as I love the US, IMO they get it very badly wrong on this

And yes, as things stand it would indeed be political suicide for a politician to insist on banning guns

It’s not as “simple as that” countries with stringent gun control regimes already had low rates of personal gun ownership and no cultural or political attachment to guns. When hand guns were banned here in the U.K. owners just quietly surrendered them to the police.

If that was to happen in the states you Would be looking at months, if not years, of violent armed disorder and insurrection, and deadly no knock raids from the FBI and ATF.

Stop pretending every country is U.K.

Bidens speech last night

Any politicians from either party, who have taken money from the gun lobby, should not be spouting anything about "thoughts and prayers" for dead children.

Imagine if Congress did something about this instead of insisting on having opinions about women's reproductive choices. Just imagine.

When hand guns were banned here in the U.K. owners just quietly surrendered them to the police

The law abiding may have done, and even a few on the fringes of criminality, but I doubt that applied to the type we'd especially want to remove guns from

As ever it's one thing saying folk can't do something and quite another stopping them from doing it, and as the US learned with prohibition it can create an ever larger criminal class, who'll later diversify into other things