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What were you doing on November 13th 2020

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TeaAndChoccie · 23/05/2022 22:34

while the PM was partying.....?

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GoodJanetBadJanet · 24/05/2022 00:51

but otherwise how can it be any different than lunch in a canteen

If you were in a canteen, you were social distancing in the lunch queues.
Only so many allowed in at once, and lunch times staggered.
Two people at a table, one at each end that would usually have held six.
DEFINITELY no booze at an after event.
As there was no such thing.
It was go home as no social gathering!

IstayedForTheFeminism · 24/05/2022 00:51

But lots of people were working in exceptional circumstances and were told they weren't allowed to have parties/socialise in groups. And they didn't.
And the ones who did run the risk of getting fined if there is evidence of it. Same as BJ and the staff.

Dibbydoos · 24/05/2022 00:53

I was working at the lab, wearing face masks and socially distancing - just me and CEO - testing our air cleaning technology that should have been trialled on trains in UK as a response to covid cos it reduced infection risks by around 30-40%.

Hawkins001 · 24/05/2022 00:54

GoodJanetBadJanet · 24/05/2022 00:51

but otherwise how can it be any different than lunch in a canteen

If you were in a canteen, you were social distancing in the lunch queues.
Only so many allowed in at once, and lunch times staggered.
Two people at a table, one at each end that would usually have held six.
DEFINITELY no booze at an after event.
As there was no such thing.
It was go home as no social gathering!

Fair point,

Dashdotdotdash · 24/05/2022 01:01

Aaaabbbcccc · 24/05/2022 00:46

Yes there is definitely the moral side of it and ‘optics’, and the obvious implication that they considered themselves exempt and beyond the rule of law.

But I can entirely see how they would make the calculation they did and how at the time it would have made sense: if you are not social distancing because of the nature of your work what is the point of keeping up the charade? (Coming from someone who abided by the rules to the letter including by refusing to go to outdoor parties that exceeded the gathering number - but can see why we, the populace, had to comply, because if we didn’t cases would multiply - whereas that logic doesn’t apply to people locked in a room all day anyway - I am sure they effectively functioned as a bubble from an epidemiological point of view).

But they weren't all locked in one room together all day. We know that there were people from several different departments in no. 10 turning up at these parties. To say nothing of the the PM's wife and interior designer.

ThinWomansBrain · 24/05/2022 01:02

no idea, but I remember the exact date earier that year when work organised a surprise birthday party. No alcohol, a fair few vegan sausage rolls, and my cupcake had a candle.
Note the precautions - cup cakes so I didn't blow/spit on any one elses cake😷

nancy75 · 24/05/2022 01:02

DelphiniumBlue · 23/05/2022 23:45

If I remember right, London was just about to go on to another lockdown, and I went to the pub with my friend where we sat in coats with the doors and windows wide open and freezing. Was definitely a more cheerful evening than some of you had, but we knew it would be the last outing for a while. I was still working, in school every day, the children were still so happy to be in school and seeing their friends.

Nobody was in a pub or restaurant , the ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown started on 5th November and lasted 4 weeks. Pubs & restaurants were closed.

Dashdotdotdash · 24/05/2022 01:04

Aaaabbbcccc · 24/05/2022 00:38

No 10 was trying to deal with the biggest challenge of any govt since WW2 and were working in close confines around the clock. I do not begrudge them a glass of wine or a cake. It seems an entirely reasonable way to try to get through the experience. Front line workers were critical but central govt was more critical. From my perspective they could do what they like to keep going and get us through this.

As I've said, they weren't working in close confines. These were people from a number of different departments getting together, people who otherwise would rarely if ever meet up during the day, particularly if other steps were taken to socially distance and comply with the rules generally. Why take the risk of spreading covid amongst themselves, to say nothing of their families who could include clinically vulnerable people?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 24/05/2022 01:07

If I’d had to pick any group to be above the law, it wouldn’t be members of the government and those working at 10 Downing Street.

It would have been doctors and nurses on the front line, ambulance crew, and after them teachers keeping key worker and vulnerable children in school whilst also teaching online, supermarket staff who work throughout, police and prison staff.

I worked full time throughout all lockdowns myself whilst simultaneously home schooling as a single parent. Those were pretty extreme circumstances. I don’t and didn’t think that I deserve an exception, any more than I think the govt deserved one.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 24/05/2022 01:09

if you are not social distancing because of the nature of your work what is the point of keeping up the charade? (Coming from someone who abided by the rules to the letter including by refusing to go to outdoor parties that exceeded the gathering number

You seem to be contradicting yourself there.
If you thought it was a charade, why were you abiding by the rules to the letter?

Aaaabbbcccc · 24/05/2022 01:09

Probably because they were working around the clock to get us out of this. When I first heard about it, it didn’t surprise me in the slightest. Ill-judged, yes, but I don’t think it means that every single thing caused by Covid should be laid at their door. I don’t understand this simplistic logic

Glitterblue · 24/05/2022 01:09

At home....we'd been in a local lockdown since September 2020

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 24/05/2022 01:10

I do remember that the “circuit breaker” started on 5th Nov because I happened to have an garden birthday drink with four friends on the 4th (planned before the circuit breaker was announced). All sat around a fire pit. I would have cancelled it if it had fallen within the lockdown, because I’m a bit “Mrs Rules”.

nancy75 · 24/05/2022 01:10

I can almost understand people not caring about the parties & drinking, but why doesn’t everyone care about the lies?
Johnson told us these events didn’t happen, he was asked about this specific event in parliament & lied, even though he must have know it would come out.
Don’t people care about the contempt that shows towards us? It is not ok for out PM to lie to us like this.

SpindleInTheWind · 24/05/2022 01:11

I wasn't lying my fucking face off to the general public, I remember that.

Aaaabbbcccc · 24/05/2022 01:11

er not really @GoodJanetBadJanet - I worked from home for 2 years.

Aaaabbbcccc · 24/05/2022 01:14

@nancy75 i could not care less. anyone who is suprised by lying politicians can’t have experienced much of the real world. Starmer did it too!

VeryGoodVeryNice · 24/05/2022 01:20

I was out partying in Finland which was restriction free. It was great. I had to tell a lot of lies to get through border control though. My bf was working out there at the time.

GoodJanetBadJanet · 24/05/2022 01:23

i could not care less. anyone who is suprised by lying politicians can’t have experienced much of the real world.

I'm not surprised by lying politicians.
That's what politicians usually do!
That's not what is really the main issue here though, is it?
It's setting rules for everyone else, scaring them into submission whilst merrily seemingly laughing in our faces and doing the exact opposite.

BetsysBeended410yrs · 24/05/2022 01:25

Working a 12 hour shift in a high dependency dementia care home, with illegal staffing numbers and 20 residents.
Care homes and nursing homes were shat on by the Tories so yes I do begrudge him and his cronies for having a glass of wine and a slice of cake.
fuck the government and fuck Boris

NotTerfNorCis · 24/05/2022 01:26

I was working from home, sorting out a plasterer to fix a crack in the ceiling, dealing with a rat infestation, and wearing a mask when I went to the local shop.

Aaaabbbcccc · 24/05/2022 01:27

I am pretty certain they were not kicking back with a Tesco’s finest Prosecco laughing about all the little people.

NotTerfNorCis · 24/05/2022 01:27

Also, it was the day the Yorkshire Ripper died of Covid-19 complications.

nancy75 · 24/05/2022 01:28

Aaaabbbcccc · 24/05/2022 01:14

@nancy75 i could not care less. anyone who is suprised by lying politicians can’t have experienced much of the real world. Starmer did it too!

You obviously have very low standards.

Dorkwillow · 24/05/2022 01:28

Not quite sure apart from work.. but I know 4 days before that I’d virtually watched my friend’s grandparents joint funeral after they both died from Covid on the same day a couple of weeks before