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7 days to leave the family home…

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Fearless5 · 22/05/2022 22:28

Firstly apologies for the length of this post, I’ve never told anyone about any of this and now I’ve written it… it’s a lot!

So first, some background… I’ve been married for 15 years and we have 4 children together aged 15, 9, 7 and 2.
DH had an awful childhood and has suspected adhd and autism, got together young, had a baby quickly and basically stuck it out, don’t get me wrong we have had good times scattered in it I’m ashamed to say I’ve made many excuses and allowed myself to be treated very poorly over the years, I’ve never told a soul what my real life is like….

Our middle two children were diagnosed with adhd and autism a few years ago now and are half at home, home schooled by myself and half in a mainstream school. I suspect my youngest is also on the spectrum and although they’re all amazing, nobody knows I do EVERYTHING alone. My DH wouldn’t even know where their clothes were. He flounces out of the house whenever he wants, to see friends, to go to the gym. Occasionally to work…. Me? I would have to ‘ask’ weeks in advance if he would look after his own children, then he would claim I didn’t ask and I would worry that he would loose his temper. So simply, wherever I am, they are. My mum is great and will have them but she often questions why my DH hasn’t had them… I lie and say he’s in work. I’m too embarrassed to tell the truth. I worked hard to get a degree and work part time (from home) ironically as I counsellor, I feel like a fraud when my life is one massive ball of anxiety and lies... my friends and family would swear I was happy, the only thing that gives me joy is my children.
I pay for EVERYTHING alone, any money he gets, he keeps and buys ridiculous things like a £600 remote control car, so many clothes… whilst I walk around in the same clothes I’ve had for years and struggle with bills.

Nobody knows I’ve had years of walking on egg shells and I’m ashamed to say so have my children. His temper, attitude, name calling (to me) and general disinterest in our children has recently been eating me up, I feel deep resentment and can’t get my head around why he can’t see how amazing they are. I hear them trying to talk to him, desperately trying to gain a connection, he’s looking at his phone barely even glancing up. It hurts me so much. I feel I’ve let him get away with so much due to his past and his own issues but where do I draw the line? They are the most precious gift and I put every ounce of my being into trying to be mum and dad, repair the damage he’s done in anger and I’m fed up. Countless meetings and appointments I’ve done alone, we go out daily and he hasn’t come out with us for literally years. We go to theme parks, the beach, the zoo… everywhere… without him. The kids are used to it now but I always feel embarrassed when people ask where he is, I just lie.
I go on holiday tomorrow (only 3 hours away to a lodge) and he’s decided last week he’s not coming! He has a few days of work he just can’t possibly get out of… My child mentioned this to my mum
today and she was so shocked and perplexed (she has no idea we aren’t the perfect team) It makes no difference to me because I do it all alone anyway. In fact I’m looking forward to not being on edge all the time, worried about what mood he’s in or his reaction to the slightest thing. Why do I stay? The truth is, sometimes he can be amazing, he listens and understands and I’m tricked into thinking all will be ok. The next day, BAM. Ignored and left to struggle alone, all the promises already broken.

So… Today my disabled child who is 7 was arguing with their sibling who is 15, just a bit of winding up as siblings do. Well DH lost it. He was shouting so much he lost his voice, I was out packing my car for tomorrow and heard shouting, when I rushed in my 7 year old was being screamed at to wipe up a drink he had accidentally knocked over when leaving the room after being separated from his sibling, my DS calmly said he was getting kitchen roll to clean it but his dad just kept shouting louder and saying ‘clean it now!!!!’ Creating more and more anxiety my sweet son was confused and upset and I stepped in and said ‘what is happening? You need to step out of this situation, you’ve lost control’
Then my son shouted ‘I’m doing it now!’ In pure frustration and DH grabbed him by the neck off the t shirt, pushed him back and shouted whilst pointing in his face not to be cheeky or he would take him upstairs and ‘give him a good hiding’….
I am completely against hitting children and have NEVER done this, DH has many years ago having been hit himself as a child, but thankfully saw the error of his ways after I persuaded him seek psychological help (not by me!) to deal with his own anger, which leads to him taking it out on a child.
Anyway at this point I guided my poor son to his room to safety and calmly (but seething inside) told my DH that I’m going away for one week with the children and when I get back, I don’t want him in the house. I am absolutely disgusted that he could do this to our poor defenceless child and no matter how many years, children and history we have, I’m no longer going to make excuses for this behaviour.

He said I’m a heartless scumbag for giving him just a week, and he’s going to tell everyone so. I said I wonder what everyone will say when they find out why… our marriage has been dead for years, no intimacy, just pure resentment. I own the house, bought just before we met with inheritance money. It’s in my name only but it’s always been our home. He has no money or family to rely on and I’ve said in the past I would help him to get a place, that still stands. I just feel like I can’t have him around the children, who are now even more anxious around him than ever. I never once said he needs to take his things etc, we just need him physically gone. I used to worry myself sick about what would happen to him if he wasn’t at home but I now realise I have four children to care for, he is not one of them.

He has since walked out of the house without a word, who knows when or if he will return?! I haven’t contacted him and certainly won’t… I couldn’t care less at this point…

Am I being unreasonable?!!

OP posts:
RealBecca · 23/05/2022 10:51

All I can say is good luck and be wary that the man you marry isnt the man you divorce so make level decisions who your head not your heart.

I wouldn't aspire for friendship, regardless of abuse, because if that is your aim you are vulnerable to making heart decisions not head decisions. The divorce is the most important thing you will do for many years so go into it with your eyes open

19Bears · 23/05/2022 10:51

I am so sorry you've been through all of this @Fearless5 I could have cried when I got to the end of your post and you ask "am I being unreasonable?" All of that! All of that! And you still think it could be you being unreasonable in this situation. I also think this myself, all the time. My situation is similar to yours in that my dh might as well not be there for the input he has into family stuff. I also do it all, and the kids are relieved as much as I am when he's away somewhere for a few days. There's no aggression from him, that's the big difference between your situation and mine, and that alone is absolutely unacceptable. Once you get past this period, which will be tough, life will start to get so much better for you and your kids. Keep moving forward from now and do not look back. Good luck OP x

KettrickenSmiled · 23/05/2022 10:58

Fearless - PP called you strong, & you denied it.
Give yourself a shake - you are immensely strong, & your professional self knows this: women who stay, who keep it together, who deflect the abuse from their children & manage the wolle circus while doing so, have immense reserves of strength, resilience & willpower.

From the thread title, I was so worried that this was going to be about him ordering you & DC out of the home - it was a relief to read that he'd announced HE was leaving.
However, of course you can't trust that - it was a performative flounce, & he is back to coming & going as he chooses.
You - & your DC, who expressed relief on hearing he's not coming on holiday with them - CANNOT live with that. You CANNOT allow your H to continue disrupting the household with unpredicatable comings & goings, & predicatable outbursts.

He crossed the line when he assaulted DS.
You know that cannot stand.
You are going to have to break the habit of 15 years & talk about this, & your entire terrifying sham of a marriage, in real life.

PP are rightly concerned about leaving H alone in the house for a week.
Please take heed of their urgings to take ALL important documents with you.
Right now, a week away from the appalling atmosphere & that awful scene over a spilled drink is just what the DC (& YOU!) need.
When you are safely there - report DS's assault. Ask the police for a DA specialist & report the 15 year pattern of abuse. Call WA & do the same with them.
Then call you best friend, & your most trusted relative. Tell them everything.
This part may feel like the hardest thing you have done. I know - I've been there. Your posts are infused with toxic shame, & you are beating yourself up for something that is absolutely not your fault, & you are assuming all the shame & guilt that OUGHT TO BELONG SQUARELY TO YOUR H.

You know all this intellectually, don't you?
You feel that because you are a degree educated, professionally trained counsellor, that somehow you ought to have been Superwoman & forestalled your H's abuse.
Guess what? I felt that, because I was a competent businesswoman & an assertive smartarse, that I couldn't possibly be abused either. It was just that my H was ... special ... had problems ... I was strong enough to cope ... etc etc denial, minimisation ...
It wasn't until I'd extricated myself from death threats, police, H getting locked away in a secure MH unit, barrister, injunction ... divorce that I got the counselling that explained it all (Borderline mother, parental abuse, CSA, c-PTSD).
Is any of this familiar?
Are you going to stop blaming yourself, & loosening that habitual mantle of toxic shame?
Are you going to recognise that the people who love you would be devastated if they knew that you need them right now, & are holding back out of pride, shame ... & of course 15 years of habitual secrecy?

I will attempt to have a conversation with him later before I go if he’s up and update everyone.
Don't bother.
What is there to say? Anything he says is going to be upsetting to you. Why poke the bear?
Just get packed, take ALL the important docs & passports, any mementos or small valuables - & leave him to himself for the week.

Not sure why I have allowed this for so long when I would tell others exactly what you’ve all been telling me, what a massive fuck up I’ve made of this!
You what now?
YOU have held a household together, are raising 4 kids & working to pay for everything.
HE fucked it all up.

OK - last thing for now: it's likely that you will be able to keep the marital home until e.g. your littlest is 18. That would give you 16 blessed years to regroup. To reshape your family into a loving, safe unit, for you & DC to heal & grow, for you to focus on your career & build enough money to eventually buy out H, or sell the family home & start afresh.
But this is going to take your courage too - because to do it, you are going to have to 1) report DS's assault to the police 2) report to WA, plus the 15 years of DA 3) ditto to a solicitor, which you will find when 4) ditto to your most trusted relative & friend - who you can then ask for recommendations to a SHL. One who is experienced in DA & protecting the wife & DC's best interests & 5) stop with the fucking compassion & understanding to your abuser - OK?

You will NOT be "helping him to find a new place" FFS.
He's a grown man with a sometimes-job, who even doesn't pay for his own kids. He gets to sort himself out. Like a single man with no responsibilities, which is how he has lived for 15 years - because that it what he wants.

LibrariesGiveUsPower · 23/05/2022 10:58

1 Get a solicitor today
2 tell your mum
3 Take anything valuable/irreplaceable (photos, heirlooms, kids drawings, birth certificates, passports) and leave them at your mums
4 change the locks

tell all your friends

Bahhhhhumbug · 23/05/2022 10:59

Eddiesferret · 22/05/2022 22:43

No you can't change the locks !

Just as women in this situation are not powerless neither is your DH !

The starting point on separation is 50/50. He has EQUAL RIGHTS to everything.

Whilst I usually advise DIY to save lawyers fees ... now I would get myself a SHL (shit hot lawyer ) !!

Yes l agree, lm sure there is a rule that if a house has been a marital home for more than a few years then it becomes a marital asset regardless whose name on deeds. So if you split he can claim half technically, even if it means waiting till children are grown in some cases.

Mulhollandmagoo · 23/05/2022 11:01

If anything you're being reasonable giving him a week to get himself sorted out! I agree with others to take all important documents and anything sentimental/valuable out of the house before you go and then contact a solicitor and start divorce proceedings.

Mulhollandmagoo · 23/05/2022 11:03

I would contact the police also about him attacking your son, and maybe let them know he will be alone in your house, a visit from them might keep him in line until you get back.

AryaStarkWolf · 23/05/2022 11:04

It sounds like your life will actually be easier without him there, at least you can tell your mother the truth now as well

KettrickenSmiled · 23/05/2022 11:07

PS - when you ring the police to report the assault, make sure you mention that you waited until you & DC were away from H & safe in the holiday home before reporting.
Explain how relieved the DC were when they realised their dad isn't coming.
Say you are scared of the atmosphere at home & scared that H has now escalated to physical abuse. That he used to hit the DC but you stopped him, & are now scared because he had not done so for X years until this incident this week.

It is possible that on the strength of this (oy! - stop minimising! - & STOP worrying about H's feelings!) that you could obtain a non-mol or - sorry hope PP have/will advise on offical wording - an order that prevents him from entering the marital home.

THIS SHOULD BE YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY
YOUR H ASSAULTED YOUR CHILD
YOU NEED HIM REMOVED FROM THE FAMILY HOME

You know this my dear Fearless.
You know what you would be saying to one of your clients at this point.
So I am sorry to shout Wink but 15 years of habitual minimising is a hard one to break.
Break it.

jammyrose · 23/05/2022 11:17

Abso-fucking-lately not, good on you! This is going to be the best thing you could have done for you and your DCs. 💐

Don’t forget to change the locks so he can’t let himself back in.

SunThroughTheCloudsAt6am · 23/05/2022 11:17

Well done OP, but please, and I know you're snowed under, secure anything you need to secure. Don't hope that he'll be reasonable.

I had high hopes of some kind of friendly co-parenting with my ex, but instead he left for 6 months, and barely contacted the kids through that time (as in a message or perhaps a face time once a month to tell them how much fun he was having while they were stuck at home in lockdown, the prick)

OP, the kids didn't even notice he'd gone. When I eventually told them what had happened (when he added a new girlfriend to the google family group! So my hand was forced) my youngest didn't care at all, and my eldest cried at the shock, then a couple of days later came back and said that actually, it made no difference at all to our day to day life so he was fine. 18 months on, and that holds true - like you, I'm their constant, their rock, so as long as I'm there, that's all that matters. They see him once a week, and the eldest has been on 2 overnights with no urge for more, so it's relentless, but at least I make all my own decisions, and have significantly less washing/cleaning.

Fraaahnces · 23/05/2022 11:20

People probably HAVE noticed that you do it all alone. People are more observant than you suspect. Who cares what he says he’s going to say to “everyone”? Let him do it. If they judge, they’re not worth keeping around. Meanwhile, I suspect you’ve been organizing his social life anyway. Most of your mutual friends probably tolerate him on your behalf. I bet they’ll be as relieved as the kids.

thankwe · 23/05/2022 11:24

Don't usually comment on posts. I was in a similar situation - married 16 years and 4 kids - the youngest was 5. I earned the money and worked unusual hours so the kids would be in bed so his input would be minimal. I walked on eggshells, I wasn't allowed a social life but I worked in a professional environment and nobody would have guessed at the abuse at home - verbal not physical.

He collected the kids from school as he rarely worked and made friends with many of the school mums. I was ashamed and embarrassed at what I'd accepted and thought if I just got through the next few years.
Anyway I finally left - he was shocked as now he had to pay for his own home and find a job.

He bragged about the kids to these school mums and very much came across as a doting dad.
When we finally got away from him and the kids felt safe they began to tell me how he would scream and shout at them when I was at work, how he would break their toys if he was angry, how they would have to make their own food, how he was on the internet looking at naked ladies and the oldest asked why I hadn't left sooner.
He invented many stories for the school mums about how terrible I was and unfortunately many blanked me.
It was the best decision I ever made - he has little contact with the kids - sporadic messages and they tolerate him as he doesn't live near. They are adults now in relationships and all have said they will never introduce their partners to him or have him at their weddings.

Sorry about the long post - wanted to show things can get better. It was hard at first and he played dirty in the divorce, which he said he wouldn't, but did. I'm living a great life now

coffeecupsandfairylights · 23/05/2022 11:25

jammyrose · 23/05/2022 11:17

Abso-fucking-lately not, good on you! This is going to be the best thing you could have done for you and your DCs. 💐

Don’t forget to change the locks so he can’t let himself back in.

But he can still let himself in even if she changes the locks.

It's not legal to kick your husband out of the marital home - without OP getting a possession order, he's legally allowed to break back in himself, or use the police to help him gain entry again.

I really wish people would stop encouraging OP to act illegally. This man has already shown himself to be violent and unstable - the last thing she needs us to piss him off even more.

Kennykenkencat · 23/05/2022 11:32

Do take the dogs with you. I wouldn’t want them to be left at the mercy of this angry man. Also take anything of value/paperwork and get evidence on what he has spent his money on in the last 15 years and what money if any he has contributed to the household income.

Whilst the starting point is 50/50 if he has never contributed or contributed so little to a house he moved into then it might mean you get to keep more.

I would lodge a complaint with the police because of his outburst.
It will help if he decides he wants to do joint custody instead of paying you maintenance.
I wouldn’t put it past him to sell everything you own or give it away or destroy it whilst you are not there so I hope your insurance policy is up to date.

I wouldn’t help him with getting another place. Other than for him to immediately move out if it looks like he isn’t going.

Get as much evidence as you can of payslips, credit card statements, pension fund and savings and investments and receipts for all the rubbish he has bought over the years.

ChiswickFlo · 23/05/2022 11:33

Pack his bags and change the locks
Call re police re his violence to your child
Start enjoying your life

KettrickenSmiled · 23/05/2022 11:33

SRS29 · 22/05/2022 23:12

OP how how how did you you have FOUR children with this man? Really?

ODFOD

Kennykenkencat · 23/05/2022 11:38

Also don’t believe him when he has said he would never do something or you wouldn’t think he would do something

People change in divorce especially when they find out all the bills they have to pay and things they have to do just to put a roof over their heads, put food in their stomachs and put clean ironed clothes on

Snowiscold · 23/05/2022 11:40

ChiswickFlo · 23/05/2022 11:33

Pack his bags and change the locks
Call re police re his violence to your child
Start enjoying your life

Yet another person saying to change the locks! The OP cannot legally change the locks —as has been pointed out numerous times.

Glitterspy · 23/05/2022 11:41

You are not being unreasonable.

My own previous thread is about abuse in a very old, long relationship so I totally get where you are coming from.

He needs to wake up (he might, with therapy?) or ship out. Your truest statement was, "I have four children and he's not one of them..." You might only just have come to this realisation?

KettrickenSmiled · 23/05/2022 11:43

I appreciate the comments about the housing situation, as much as a dik as he is, I’m 100% confident he wouldn’t try to claim anything money wise and he’s said many times he wouldn’t lay claim to the house. He’s not clued up financially and wouldn’t know where to start with this either. I doubt it would have crossed his mind to seek legal help.

You are fooling yourself. He will.
As soon as he realises that you are no longer going to house him, he will be angry & look for ways to punish you.

This is what angry & controlling men do OP - don't be naive.

Knifer · 23/05/2022 12:01

I would suggest having him leave before you go or at the very least, booking a locksmith and having the keys given to a friend or family member while you're away, giving him a date to be out of the property. You're not being unreasonable, you're protecting your children from someone who mentally and physically abuses others he considers weaker than him. Would he do it to a man at work? No, the fuck he would not.

Keep yourselves away from him. You've enabled him for years. No judgement at all, I know exactly how you get trapped and how you avoid conflict by appeasing and soothing. I know how you make excuses all the time and how hard it is when everyone else thinks your partner is so great and you know they are not. Don't waste all your energy and sanity on enabling any more of this nonsense. Don't get him a house. Don't get him anything! He can piss off. Do not let him have unsupervised contact with any of the children, he's demonstrated what he will do when he's got witnesses- how will he be without them? Don't chivvy him along to be a decent dad, don't help him with anything legal, let him sort his own damn self out.

AskingforaBaskin · 23/05/2022 12:05

I don't think you're the best to make decisions based on your knowledge of his behaviour.

Yes the children may be sad but you need to steel yourself and ne practical or you could be fucked.

You need to call the police, you need to look into having him removed from the home and getting an order to keep him away.

You need to see a solicitor and begin divorce proceedings and get as much Knowledge on how to protect you all.

He's not a stupid as you think. He's had you serving him for a decade and never paid a penny. He knows exactly what he's doing and why would he want to be out of pocket now when you can continue to pay for him?

And as others have said you absolutly need to tell people everything.

KettrickenSmiled · 23/05/2022 12:06

hotandspicy · 23/05/2022 10:40

This guy sounds like a womans worst nightmare. no wonder guys get a bad rap on here reading this.
Your house, get the locks changed the next time you know hes at work or has a few hours away from the house. youve given him warning he needs to leave.
You could potentially use the Police to remove him as hes raised his hands to the children but then that brings in Social Services and its own potential issues so that needs considering if you went down that avenue.
He will prob need a couple of months to find somewhere id imagine, I wouldnt bet on him finding alternative accomodation in a week even if money wasnt an issue.

What do you mean - "could potentially use the Police to remove him"?
Of course she must report to the Police.
Not just as part of a legal/financial strategy ffs - HE ASSAULTED HIS SON.

but then that brings in Social Services and its own potential issues so that needs considering if you went down that avenue.
Which is the PRIMARY REASON for reporting to the police, & then reporting to SS/Childrens Services herself.
There are no "potential issues" here. There is AN ISSUE - ensuring the safety of OP's children from a father who has abused her for 15 years & has now escalated his abuse to physical violence to his child.

OP - you must stop minimising, lying for & making excuses about your H.
It's time to tell the truth.
Abuse thrives in secrecy.
The man who hot your son in your own home must no longer be allowed to live in it.
Your best way of acheiving that outcome is - report, report, report.

ChocolateHippo · 23/05/2022 12:21

KettrickenSmiled · 23/05/2022 12:06

What do you mean - "could potentially use the Police to remove him"?
Of course she must report to the Police.
Not just as part of a legal/financial strategy ffs - HE ASSAULTED HIS SON.

but then that brings in Social Services and its own potential issues so that needs considering if you went down that avenue.
Which is the PRIMARY REASON for reporting to the police, & then reporting to SS/Childrens Services herself.
There are no "potential issues" here. There is AN ISSUE - ensuring the safety of OP's children from a father who has abused her for 15 years & has now escalated his abuse to physical violence to his child.

OP - you must stop minimising, lying for & making excuses about your H.
It's time to tell the truth.
Abuse thrives in secrecy.
The man who hot your son in your own home must no longer be allowed to live in it.
Your best way of acheiving that outcome is - report, report, report.

I think this is right. Now that this man has started physically abusing his children, he needs to be removed from the house and his access limited to ensure the children's safety. Otherwise, SS/police could view the OP as being complicit in the abuse and failing to protect.