Part 4 AIBU to keep this discussion on Amber and Jonny going?

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Just in case we run out on part 3

I scheduled so I'm busy in the morning than clear enough to 'listen to the radio' from 3

AH appears to have a hard time letting this relationship go emotionally than JD in some ways. She has referred to him multiple times as her soulmate and used the present tense of loving him over and over. I am unsure whether she genuinely still has feelings for him of some kind or whether she’s playing mind games with him, or to appeal to what they once had.

He comes across as wanting to escape her clutches and intense dislike for her, yet has spent the past few years all consumed by everything Amber and sitting in a courtroom with her for weeks on end.

I also spotted AH a mile off, I said so in first thread. Agree 100% she has NPD. NPD is brutal and not just narcissm, it is a whole other level. I am in the process of divorcing myself and DD from it.

I'm so sorry you're going through that. I think a lot of people following this case are bringing their own experiences in; I guess we all do that to an extent. But to suggest that AH has narcissistic personality disorder when even Dr Curry didn't come up with that diagnosis says to me that you might be projecting. As I posted above, potentially she didn't actually meet the threshold for BPD either. But she certainly didn't have an NPD profile.

I actually think 'gut feelings' and this kind of anecdotal personal experience is something we need to be more careful about. Not in terms of keeping yourself safe but making big sweeping judgements about people.

Thank you aspiring, as I said, I could be projecting massively, but the more I watch, the more I think I am not. NPD is so rare. But I would be as bad as the ridiculous phychiatrist if I gave a prognosis over the internet, obviously!

I personally cannot wait for KM. I think it will be good.

Making a cuury for DD tonight and settling down for the afternoon!

Making a cuury for DD tonight and settling down for the afternoon!

That sounds great. Wishing you and DD all the best with it all. 😊

I will start this by saying I do actually believe JD was at times violent to or around AH. I believe there was some mutual violence. I believe there were episodes of jealousy and drug use. I even believe he hurt her. I do not believe some sections of the story but overall I think she has a basis of truth and she has overlaid this with embellishments - either through fear or anxiety of ‘losing’ or she thought she wouldn’t be believed for what might have been to her, lower level violence. (All violence is wrong IMO).

But there is something about AH’s mannerisms that make me feel uneasy and uncomfortable. I have no formal qualifications on this matter. I find it hard to reconcile how different she is from still photos where she looks poised and calm, or acting, to when I have seen her in promo interviews for her work before the divorce and her divorce deposition videos where comes across as rude, impatient, manic, angry and agitated.

Once on the stand in this trial she is again completely different, flipping through what appears to be fake crying, laughing at the Hicksville guy, remembering things she says she forgot in intense detail and just a wild range of emotions she is either struggling to control or is acting. I am not sure. I would not be friends with this woman. I don’t think she’s reliable or likeable. I do believe she treated her sister badly who was vulnerable.

I have felt sorry for her because I think she has classic signs and behaviours of intense abandonment issues and got with a guy she fell in love with who was an absolute mess. She did not know how to deal with what was happening and dealt with many things badly. I don’t think she can admit to these things herself because it will make her look bad, so JD (and fans) are picking her apart. Her career will never recover I don’t think, even if she wins this trial.

this trial has divided the world, literally. We can’t discount that males suffer violence based on this trial though. Sometimes in life it isn’t black and white with a winner and loser. They are both losers in their own way which is sad

@Menora I think you've summarised a lot of what I think. She definitely in my min took on a relationship with someone very difficult to live with

"I could be 100% wrong. Obviously. I could be projecting massively, obviously. But I can almost smell it!"

I too could be wrong adrift but I completely agree.

The danger for me has always been the recalled memories of Australia, as it’s been mentioned before is past the realms of mutual abuse. This is not two people in a toxic relationship feeding off each other’s anger. This is a sadistic rapist (I count this as rape) or a sadistic liar. This will not be resolved in the trial and when the circus surrounding these claims calms down this will be remembered and both sides SM will abuse each other. Completely making a mockery of sexual assault victims.

I can see my younger self a little. No I didn’t deserve any abuse, no one does but I also made some terrible decisions for myself. No one forced me to do some of the things I did. I can blame trauma, my parents or my ex for things but I did do some of those things myself. And taking my own accountability for my own actions has helped me heal, and learn. You don’t go to therapy and sit and blame someone else the whole time and someone nods and says poor you. You have to face your own choices and actions and understand them. AH can’t do this in court because she’s clinging onto her career and finances. Rightly or wrongly JD is angry with her for not taking accountability, as he thinks he has taken some accountability in terms of his drug use. And here I am talking about going to the hotel to record him, the Op Ed and the divorce donation situation. Not the choice to stay with JD

Has no one listened to the Australia tape? It wasn’t allowed in court because there are more people on it (apparently they are only allowed the tapes that are just the two of them recorded for therapeutic reasons). In it she can be heard hysterically apologising for hurting him and saying that she didn’t mean it while his team try to find the part of his finger. It completely disproves her narrative of Australia.

I think what comes out as pattern is Amber’s personality being criticised whenever there is a comparison of their acts or possible wrongdoings while Depp’s barely-most people took the stance similar in court where she is the accused one and has to defend herself; I think this greatly influenced people in assuming who’s guilty first. At this point a lot of opinions sound like Hicksville trailer guy.

Relentless comments about her being”unlikable”and”strange”-I thought I was being harsh in judging people(well prob still am)but I don’t remember thinking like this about some of the people similar to Amber back when I was at school or younger. She may be”Hollywood”but there’s a lot Ambers out there and I bet some like Hicksville guy or even dr Curry would be her friend in real life while she’s fun then when a Depp person would appear they’d suddenly see her”bad character”and ditch her when she’s not convenient and likeable anymore.

Even I got swayed and have to remind myself a lot that this all isn’t about what’s likeable or not about her character, at all

Yes I have. It does seem that way. But the evidence his finger wasn't cut off by a glass bottle being thrown contradicts this evidence. It's a shame that audio tape can't be heard by the jury. Why would JD make up how he hurt his finger if it was AH? Maybe he was so out of it he doesn't remember properly. Could she have purposely trapped it in a door or something similar instead?

Although I believe AH to be the abuser in this relationship (based on the credibility of witness testimony and evidence presented in this case), I do agree with other posters in terms of feeling sorry for AH. I know it is a contested topic, but she has been diagnosed by one professional as having BPD and HPD (which actually has some similarities to NPD), and so I think it is important to remember that whilst many people with PDs won't manifest their symptoms to this extreme, some do, and actually these are medically recognised conditions and not something people choose to have. I think she also evidently has a history of childhood trauma which can impact different people in different ways as they grow up.

Personally, I believe JD when he says he has never hit a woman. That is not to say he hasn't responded badly to her abuse or hurt her accidently during physical altercations, but there have never been any reports of him physically assaulting previous partners, even when those relationships have been tumultuous and involved drug use. He was with the mother of his kids for years and she has spoken out in support of him. I really think if he was someone who had the potential to physically abuse women, his mask would have slipped by now. I also don't think it is fair to point to incidents where he has allegedly assaulted men; lots of men would do this to another man, but would never hit a woman. His substance abuse also does not mean he is a domestic abuser and can also make him more vulnerable to being a DA victim, whilst spiralling substance misuse issues can be a response to abuse, so I think this framing of him as a likely DA perpetrator because of his substance abuse is wrong

I think it is really sad that this case has been so public (even though it has been interesting to watch) and I never like to see someone getting as much hate as AH has been, regardless of what they have done. Although, I guess by publicly accusing JD of these things, she left him no choice. I hope, if AH has done these things, she gets some help and the media and JD's fans leave her in peace.

Very interesting that TMZ are trying to block their journalist who obtained the video being called as a JD witness. I hope the judge allows this testimony as copyright for the video can only be signed over by the owner (AH) and under oath, she denied supplying it.

i listened to the Hicksville incident which is the other sexual assault, it was here that the spoke about not taking coke and being against it. If Rocky Pennington is to be believed then this is not true. It’s these details that actually weren’t needed in the details of the event, she wasn’t asked. But as a juror if a believe the coke is a lie then why should I believe the rest. Why did neither side get the records and statements from those at Hicksville who were third party.

Yes I have. It does seem that way. But the evidence his finger wasn't cut off by a glass bottle being thrown contradicts this evidence. It's a shame that audio tape can't be heard by the jury. Why would JD make up how he hurt his finger if it was AH? Maybe he was so out of it he doesn't remember properly. Could she have purposely trapped it in a door or something similar instead?

Does anyone have a link to that audio? I keep hearing that she apologises for hurting him and unless there's something wrong with my hearing (possible), I don't get that from listening. Is there a different audio being referred to, or a clearer one? Because I hear her saying sorry but nothing about hurting him. It's quite indistinct at that point though.
If it's the video I'm thinking of, I question some of the subtitles are in the bits which are hard to make out. They seem a bit 'creative licence' to me. Also if we're talking about the same audio, nobody seems to be suggesting in it that she has taken responsibility for the finger - unless I'm missing something?

Yes you are correct. She says I am sorry repeatedly but no reference is made to the finger. So I guess it is an assumption she is saying sorry for the finger but it could have been something else. I think Dr Kipper implied she did it but obviously that's not fact.

I was also interested in the fact that no one refers to her injuries and she is not treated. This is the main point for me. Given the assault she is describing she 100% would have at least some visible injuries but instead they medicate her and send her to bed.

Here’s the Australia audio. She says ‘I didn’t do it on purpose’ and ‘I’m so sorry’ a few times while Dr.Kipper and Debbie are looking for the finger tip. They also discuss getting him out of there and away from her. The implication is that she is having a psychotic episode.

It completely blows apart her story of what happened in Australia.

Jerry Judge seems to think that she is up to something on that audio. He says (and obviously this is not under oath which is why it wasn’t allowed) that she admits to thrown bottles at Depp and punching him first.

She then openly admits toward the end to taking Xanax, adderall, hallucinogens and other stuff on tops of her anti- psychotic meds. Jerry Judge seems to think that she’s on coke as well. There goes her pretence of not doing drugs.

If the tape is true then she is a fucking psycho liar. Who makes up a horrific rape?

I didn’t like those types of people in school either.

I think it’s definitely a mental struggle to believe what someone is saying when you do not like them and why I am not a psychologist or a police officer etc. Humans find it so hard to be objective and even professionals let their own opinions and bias creep in. Trust me when I say I wish I did like her (for my own sake not hers) and I’ve tried hard to look outside of my own bias as to why. I didn’t follow the U.K. trial at the time (have read it since) and I was more neutral yet curious about her at the start of this trial. I didn’t really understand why so many people didn’t like her until I saw her depositions, interview and testimony.

Aside of what she is saying, it’s her mannerisms expressions and the elaborate story telling I don’t like about her. I don’t actually blame her for over inflating her loss of earnings to $100mil, I mean if you were being sued for 50 you would probably clap back too. you would also want your friends to defend you, even though few of them ever saw anything

I do not have a CLUE why she did that op Ed after signing an agreement with JD in the divorce, that happened to coincide with Aquaman and I don’t know why she’s lied about her charitable donation pledges either. The little elaborations have now become huge and have come back to bite her. I just don’t know what to think about the Australian incident at all

Where does she say "I didn't do it on purpose"? Do you have a timestamp?
And the bit about xanax, adderall and hallucinogens? Thanks.

It’s 30 mins 40 seconds for the drugs.

@Aspiringmatriarch
when I heard this it was so faint, you have to turn up the volume

she says I didn’t mean to at about 4 mins in
then at 8 mins she’s crying a lot
10 mins she says it’s all her fault and she didn’t do it on purpose
11 mins saying sorry I love him
16 mins Jerry Judge says she threw the first punch and bottle

After the drug thing she starts going back into panicking about how she will get him back now he ‘hates her’
this is the push pull they were in
all she’s seemingly worrying about really is losing him, not actually worried about him