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Part 4 AIBU to keep this discussion on Amber and Jonny going?

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ENoeuf · 22/05/2022 18:39

Just in case we run out on part 3

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TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:20

Also Sméagol completely missed his own clients behaviour 😂

KTheGrey · 24/05/2022 21:22

@minou123
I believe that AH has claimed PTSD as a consequence of suffering abuse at JD's hands. This opened the door for her psychiatric assessment. JD isn't claiming for PTSD - although I would bet he has had quite an amount of therapy since 2016.

adriftabroad · 24/05/2022 21:24

TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:20

Also Sméagol completely missed his own clients behaviour 😂

Ha! So true.

minou123 · 24/05/2022 21:26

KTheGrey · 24/05/2022 21:22

@minou123
I believe that AH has claimed PTSD as a consequence of suffering abuse at JD's hands. This opened the door for her psychiatric assessment. JD isn't claiming for PTSD - although I would bet he has had quite an amount of therapy since 2016.

Ahhh, that makes perfect sense.

I couldn't work it out; why the judge allowed the motion for AH to be assessed but not for JD.

Got it now, thank you

minou123 · 24/05/2022 21:35

There, I understood right! Woo Hoo 😁

I'm getting the hang of this USA Civil Court malarkey

Although, I didn't know AH team filed the motion twice, to force JD to get a psychiatrist assessment

TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:36

I have C-PTSD. I believe she may have ptsd from her childhood but I'll bet my house she doesn't have it from JD.

Miscfeminista · 24/05/2022 21:40

He reviewed a lot-depositions, tapes, videos, texts, other drs notes. We have only seen a fraction of all of that, he actually sat down and looked at pile of stuff related to JD, took notes and made observations. It wasn't"just like that"and I think he hasn't done anything more unethical than the jury will imo

TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:40

I was finishing cooking tea. Who is this woman?

vegang · 24/05/2022 21:41

TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:40

I was finishing cooking tea. Who is this woman?

Jennifer Howell, ex colleague and best friend of Whitney

minou123 · 24/05/2022 21:42

TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:40

I was finishing cooking tea. Who is this woman?

This is the long awaited, much anticipated Jennifer Howell.

She was Whitney (AH sister) old boss.

TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:43

Eeeeee!!! Tea might burn

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 24/05/2022 21:49

Miscfeminista · 24/05/2022 21:40

He reviewed a lot-depositions, tapes, videos, texts, other drs notes. We have only seen a fraction of all of that, he actually sat down and looked at pile of stuff related to JD, took notes and made observations. It wasn't"just like that"and I think he hasn't done anything more unethical than the jury will imo

But he didn't speak to him. You cannot diagnose someone without actually speaking to them. He was completely unethical. I think it's great the doctor today has pointed that out and the exact reason why.

Midlifemusings · 24/05/2022 21:49

What happened there. That made no sense at all.

LetitiaLeghorn · 24/05/2022 21:49

Boulshired · 24/05/2022 21:20

According to those watching the jurors Dr speigel didn’t go down well anyway. Dr shaw probably only needs to say ignore Dr Speigel and everyone would nod and agree.

That might be true. I got a headache listening to Dr Spiegel. Dr Shaw is very soothing. Can you imagine if they were airplane pilots and they came on the tannoy to tell you about the upcoming flight? I'd be worrying that Captain Spiegel might start doing loop-do-loops!

Johnny Depp is so lucky to have so much money that he can afford these kind of witnesses. They might be boring, middle aged, white men, but they just seem very competent and professional.
Justice certainly doesn't seem equal.

minou123 · 24/05/2022 21:51

Midlifemusings · 24/05/2022 21:49

What happened there. That made no sense at all.

Not was expected. I'll have to watch it again as it was so quick

Midlifemusings · 24/05/2022 21:52

LetitiaLeghorn · 24/05/2022 21:49

That might be true. I got a headache listening to Dr Spiegel. Dr Shaw is very soothing. Can you imagine if they were airplane pilots and they came on the tannoy to tell you about the upcoming flight? I'd be worrying that Captain Spiegel might start doing loop-do-loops!

Johnny Depp is so lucky to have so much money that he can afford these kind of witnesses. They might be boring, middle aged, white men, but they just seem very competent and professional.
Justice certainly doesn't seem equal.

For the amount being spent on lawyers, expert witnesses are a drop in the bucket. You also have to find an expert who wants to testify on your behalf and for many their professional reputation and professional expertise needs to align with the view they would be expected to express.

Amber could afford expert witnesses - there is no way for a few hundred thousand out of millions, that she would cheap out on experts. This is who she could get.

TiddyTidTwo · 24/05/2022 21:52

"Justice certainly doesn't seem equal"

How can you say that? Us mere non celebrity mortals aren't stupid and do have life experience ourselves?

Her witnesses are crap. They've been discredited it a fairly straightforward way. WB absolutely discredited her.

StormzyinaTCup · 24/05/2022 21:54

I'm wondering if it's for her own safety. She apparently posted on her instagram account two/three days ago that someone tried to break into her flat/house and she posted some photos of damage to her locks and doors. It could of course be coincidental and it's been cut due to a legal issue. I guess we will have to wait to find out exactly what was going on there.

Boulshired · 24/05/2022 21:57

That’s a children hospital, the hiding behind pledge and donated i don’t think will go down well with the jury.

ObjectionHearsay · 24/05/2022 21:57

Miscfeminista · 24/05/2022 21:40

He reviewed a lot-depositions, tapes, videos, texts, other drs notes. We have only seen a fraction of all of that, he actually sat down and looked at pile of stuff related to JD, took notes and made observations. It wasn't"just like that"and I think he hasn't done anything more unethical than the jury will imo

Would you want to be diagnosed against your will, by someone reviewing some tapes of you, bits of your medical records and what other people say about you?

Jesus, men used to get their wives imprisoned under "insanity" in olden days with these types of tactics!

You can not, must not ethically diagnose or make expert psychiatric observations on anyone without consent.

The only time this can be done is for a court orderd forensic psychological assessment. Not a psychiatric assesment.

This is when the court will order one, generally in criminal cases when they want to know if the defendant is a)fit for trial and b) their lack of mental capacity would alter a sentence. E.g secured mental health unit and not custodial. This is the only exception.

Other than that, nobody should be pontificating on the mental health of others in a professional capacity without consent, it's intrusive, unethical and can be potentially psychologically damaging for the subject.

minou123 · 24/05/2022 22:01

I think AH lawyer is trying to get the judge to overturn the objections she sustained for all these witness.

minou123 · 24/05/2022 22:04

minou123 · 24/05/2022 22:01

I think AH lawyer is trying to get the judge to overturn the objections she sustained for all these witness.

These are all the evidence/testimony that AH tried to tell the jury. But JD team objected (hearsay, leading, foundation) and the judge sustained the objection.

We may be here for a while.........

minou123 · 24/05/2022 22:05

It looks like I was answering myself 😁
I wasn't, promise, just adding more detail in

StormzyinaTCup · 24/05/2022 22:06

Is JD asleep?!?😁

Cantbelieveiusedtowatchthiscrap · 24/05/2022 22:08

Wait…when was Jennifer Howell on? I missed that