To think more men than we think are undercover paedophiles

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Watching the pedophile hunter on Netflix - in summary it is about a vigilante group who go onto dating sites 18+ but post pictures of girls who look underage and then when the guy chats to them tells them they're 11 or 12 etc.

The men carry on chatting and then arrange to meet - they don't tell the girls they're too young.

This is so sad and troubling. These men were originally looking for women and then got drawn in by children. How many husbands, sons, work colleagues are doing this - what can we do as society to better sniff it out?

Sad and sickening. What can we do to protect children from this?

Well, to protect children, first of all I would not allow some vigilante group to post pictures of them and literally use them as bait.

It’s not that hard for a sicko peadophile who will be familiar with the dark web to run facial recognition software on photos and then geo-locate the actual child in the photos they’ve been sent.

And once the vigilante does the big reveal of ha ha caught you, this is all being sent to the police. There is plenty of time for them to seek revenge on the child while their identity is being traced.

That’s what nightmares are made of. I do think there are a ton of peadophiles out there, I don’t think there are more than I think are out there as I have encountered close to a dozen (actually arrested and charged) in my life so far.

@Discovereads they tend to use photos of children who are now adults, as far as I am aware.

I know I’ve seen hunter groups ask on Facebook for old childhood photos of people.

@Discovereads a half a dozen? Were these people outed?

I actually like what the vigilante group are doing - ten men they found have been convicted.

These men shouldn't do it if they have fear of being court. Out them I say.

I still don’t think it’s right to use anyone IRL as bait. Of course if the vigilante is using their own childhood photos, that I would be ok with. But not some innocent 3rd party. It’s too easy to trace people these days.

Well, to protect children, first of all I would not allow some vigilante group to post pictures of them and literally use them as bait.

This.

I think these vigilante groups should be outlawed, they are so dangerous and I strongly suspect the motivation behind their actions are nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with throwing their weight around.

If we ban vigilante groups there would be more on the streets

Well I don’t agree but it goes to show the type of people who declare themselves vigilantes are just out to be violent. Let’s not give them any leverage. Ask any police officer who works in this field, these groups make their job so much harder, not easier

These hunter groups may well put off a few of these creatures from chatting and wanting to meet underage girls. Let's hope

I know of at least 3

one came up on fb-he’d been charged and convicted

second was a lass I worked with broke up with her boyfriend and slept with him
she fell pregnant around this time,got back with the boyfriend and the other lad was arrested for trying to sleep with underage girls

third-my cousin-‘normal’ bloke,married,two dds-he was arrested 6 months ago for viewing underage porn and 3 girls aged 13/14 came forward to say he’d groomed them and one was pregnant with his child

number one-bit creepy but nothing unusual-he had a lovely dog who he used to draw them in
no two-creepy as fuck-we would do our best to avoid him if he came into work-I heard the rumours and believed them which is unusual for me-innocent until proven guilty-not this time though
my cousin-didn’t see it coming at all
oh and his wife is sticking by him even though there is dna proof he’s done it to at least 1 young girl-the bloody proof is there!
they are both bleating ‘anyone can make a mistake’ and ‘I didn’t know how old they where-they said they where over 16’
he has two dds for fuck sake-you’d think that would stop him but nope

would think theres more woman out there than people think as well

Vigilante groups are dangerous and often violent. If someone is passionate about making a difference they should train up as a specialist sexual offences police officer, a therapist to help victims, a computer expert for the police force, or maybe pioneer a programme to support schools in teaching kids to recognise grooming online and in real life. Or even volunteer for a charity that helps survivors of sexual abuse - perhaps by gathering money or raising awareness.

But yes, it obviously stands to reason that there are more pedophiles out there than just the ones convicted. Like any crime, some will get away with it sadly. But vigilante groups are not the way to go.

I watch these groups live in Facebook there is many of them. They are great! Yes the men were originally Looking for an adult but then came across a child, if I was looking for a man of my age to chat and accidentally came across a child and that child said to me sorry I’m only 12….. do you know what my reply would be? There wouldn’t be one because they would be blocked and never spoken to again! Is that because I’m female? No it’s because I’m not a pedophile! So if a man is in the same situation why then carry on the chat and send images and arrange a meet. It’s not normal. These groups sit and wait, they don’t act first; they don’t add first and they don’t chat first. And most of the groups are women decoys who were abused as children and don’t want another child to then go through that.

I’m not going to comment on the vigilante morals but in answer to your question about the number of paedophiles, I agree there are many more than we realise. I think it’s a huge issue and spans all sections of society. And I think many in power have turned a blind eye.

Two places I worked had peadophile rings that were caught by the police and other government agencies that monitor internet traffic. Not by vigilantes or any victims coming forward. So the first time was in 2000 and I happened to be there when they had arrested the ones in my building and were marching them out in handcuffs. They did it all at once as there was flight risk as they all worked in my office building. The second time, was in 2013 and a problem employee who worked in my division turned out to be the distributor for a peadophile ring on the business park so again multiple arrests same day, but different companies in the same business park. Seeing police coming in and seizing his work computer. My boss mentioning to me how this employee was now behind bars and complaining about having to liquidate his workplace pension to pay for a defence barrister as it made him not eligible for free legal aid. That one made me sick because our division had held family events like a summer company picnic in the park that I had attended with my DC and he had attended as well.

I thought on that programme they didn't use photos of kids, the woman running the sting used photos/videos of herself made up to look much younger and spoke to the men. They didn't turn up with cameras to post online, they were in touch with and sometimes working with the police.

I felt that she needed copious amounts of therapy to deal with what she'd previously experienced and then what these operations gave her too. It was hard to watch her.

The other operations that are in FB etc I'm against.

And yes, there are far more men attracted to underage girls (and boys) that the general public thinks. In fact the majority of male sexuality seems to be "whitewashed" with lap dancing, Sports Illustrated and "a bit of porn". The reality of it is something quite different.

I agree with you.

A massive problem. I remember reading a thread on here which scared the shot out of me, so many on the sex offenders register per square mile that the mind boggles. It’s not often a weirdo loner in an anorak either, usually men abusing their own or their friend’s children. Terrifying.

The problem is that I don't know how many there are in a given population. I think I read that 1 in 7 children are abused which blew me away as a statistic...that means in any class of 30, on average 4 of those kids will experience abuse and then there's the question of what type of abuse and who's doing it. I've had suspicions about people I know but it's based on gut instinct rather than knowledge and I'm sure I've met a handful of dodgy as fuck men in my time.

If anyone had actually watched they would have seen several comments by people not agreeing with what they do, but saying they need to do it in order to change what police officers are allowed to do/much more resources etc.
Getting fed up with people saying it interferes with police investigations, as if the police were just about to arrest them anyway that very second 🙄..nope, they would have carried on.
I happened to come across my school photo from middle school which was of the entire school, it's just horrific, not one child is smiling, most have their head in their hands, some look terrified, others just miserable.
The photos of the male teachers are them laughing
This is because the majority of the male teachers were sadistic feckers, 3 I can find online easily with paedophile convictions.
Then I moved to the other end of the country. Different School. At least two teachers from that school now have convictions another one for rape of an adult.
They don't use photos of anyone that is still a child they don't use children full stop.
They also don't pretend to be children speaking in a sexualized way, everything comes from the paedophiles.
Getting really pissed off with paedophile enablers on here.

There are not necessarily more paedophiles it's just that the Internet and freely available child porn has given more people easy access to view children being abused.

I have some experience of working in a legal capacity with paedophiles and they are simply wired wrong, they can't be "cured" and there is even debate among the professionals if they can be treated in any capacity. A frightening number don't see anything wrong with their behaviour and will justify it, they think society is wrong in condemning them.

Do I agree with what the vigilantes are doing, I don't know but I do know that after spending time with offenders that they are the most devious, self serving and dangerous people I have ever met and we need to do more to protect out children because they generally show no remorse and don't want to change their behaviour.

Sorry to answer your question, don't think there's any more than there has in the past.
It's just getting harder for them to hide and more easy for children to be believed.

Getting really pissed off with paedophile enablers on here

People who don’t agree with pedophile hunters are not enablers FFS. I was a victim of rape as a child, I don’t enable anybody, I just don’t believe justice should ever be in the hands of a load of bloody thirsty thugs.

Exactly this. And imagine how many there are lurking in families and getting away with it because families don't want to be torn apart so it's kept as a secret

So much more needs to be done. Getting porn sites that show shite like "naughty step daughter" extra need to be eradicated. The Catholic church needs to be prosecuted. Huge support for victims. Campaign and support for people to get rehabilitation when they have thoughts about it. Education in school s/everywhere to spot abuse and then support children properly.