To think more men than we think are undercover paedophiles

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Watching the pedophile hunter on Netflix - in summary it is about a vigilante group who go onto dating sites 18+ but post pictures of girls who look underage and then when the guy chats to them tells them they're 11 or 12 etc.

The men carry on chatting and then arrange to meet - they don't tell the girls they're too young.

This is so sad and troubling. These men were originally looking for women and then got drawn in by children. How many husbands, sons, work colleagues are doing this - what can we do as society to better sniff it out?

Sad and sickening. What can we do to protect children from this?

I think all men have much lower age limits on finding girls (or boys if they are gay) physically attractive than the legal age.

So it's about how many men would not have the moral inhibition, and would think they could get away with it. (I think research shows it's 1/3 of men who admit they would rape if they could get away with it, so probably similar numbers here).

Our laws are failing children time and time again there’s a lady that puts up a post on Facebook literally every six months showing the messages her daughter has received from the local paedophile since she was 10 how he talks about fantasising about getting her pregnant and how if you have done it the first time round the child would be eight now.

she hasn’t blocked the guy because she wants the police to see that this is an ongoing issue and that he hasn’t been cured by his brief stint in jail and it was brief.

The Judges don’t sentence them for long enough because I honestly don’t think the judges think that they’re actually that bad or wrong.

The truth is many of these people are actually ill and they shouldn’t ever be released.

there’s a lady that puts up a post on Facebook literally every six months showing the messages her daughter has received from the local paedophile since she was 10 how he talks about fantasising about getting her pregnant and how if you have done it the first time round the child would be eight now.
she hasn’t blocked the guy because she wants the police to see that this is an ongoing issue and that he hasn’t been cured by his brief stint in jail and it was brief.

I think it's bloody weird for her to keep willingly exposing her daughter to these sorts of messages in order to make a point to the police. The girl's probably traumatised just by having to read these messages every 6 months!

The girl is 18 now and the mother has control of the account not the daughter but the Man doesn’t seem know that he’s too stupid.

Id imagine the “weird” reaction though comes from sheer desperation of lack of intervention from the police though don’t you ?

@BearBibble And actually do you think she’s the only person is sending these messages to ? The guy still has fantasise about what he wanted to do to a 10-year-old and he’s talking about them freely. He is a danger to society

Remember, evolution doesn't care about morality. From an evolutionary point of view, a 15-year-old girl is perfect for producing offspring – she's young and healthy.

Remember, evolution doesn't care about morality. From an evolutionary point of view, a 15-year-old boy is perfect for producing offspring - he's young & healthy.

See? That excuse doesn't work for predatory women, does it?
Why not? Surely women are equally driven by 'evolution' & the urge to procreate?

It's societal.
Society excuses this bullshit in men. It doesn't tolerate it in women.
Hence the normalisation through porn - the schoolgirl fantasy, 'daddy's naughty little girl' etc. Nothing to see here, the poor little menz just can't help their 'evolution'.
It's a pile of steaming bullshit.

There are men looking at child porn in their workplace. Obviously not intelligent men, but still happens. So yep way more common than you think.

Can I please suggest people use the term ‘images of child sexual abuse’ rather than ‘child porn’? Calling it child porn makes it sound like the child had some say in it.

I'm not sure people understand the definition of paedophilia. Lots of people going on about teenaged girls, which is distasteful and in some instances criminal, but not paedophilia.

Paedophilia is a disorder which presents as an attraction to pre-pubertal children, not sexually mature teenagers.

Estimates put the rate of paedophilia at between 1 and 4% in men and women: www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/pedophiles-online-sex-abuse.amp.html

I would imagine the rate of those men attracted to teenaged girls is much higher. But that is different from paedophilia.

Of course there's more than we think, both male and female. We can't read minds so who knows how many there are. These vigilante groups aren't a good idea to me, so much can go wrong. Things like this need to be reported to the police. I also find it disturbing the time and manipulation that goes into trapping the predators too.

@KettrickenSmiled

Very well said.

I mean suspicions that someone is a paedophile needs to be reported to the police, not left in the hands of vigilantes.

@Lockheart, I have made this point in the past. It is of course repellant that any form of sexual abuse takes place , but I wish we would use the correct terms.

The OP was not talking about pre-pubescent children though, she said 11 or 12 which is bang on pubescent (11 is average age of puberty in girls in UK).

I think they are much, much more prolific than the data suggests. Personally I know two (one is in jail for his crimes, the other is dead). These men caused untold damage to the women they abused. Abhorrent.

YANBU. I can't post the link here (MNHQ rules) but there's a petition, link is up on the Mumsnet petitions and activism board.

STUDENTS at a Cheshire school have launched a petition calling on the government to ban the sale of school uniforms in sex shops and from being worn in pornographic videos.
www.winsfordguardian.co.uk/news/20144079.children-demand-ban-school-uniforms-sex-shops-porn-videos/

I think there's something really sinister about an untrained, random adult pretending to be a child and talking sexually to others on tbe Internet. There are specialist units in the police who do this sirtbof work. They are heavily monitored and the officers often have therapy to deal with what they witness on these sites. Yet random Bob from down the road can do this with no problem?

I wonder if paedophile hunters would still be happy to do it, in the absence of social media/other coverage.
I suspect they like the glory, whereas the police doing all the donkey work behind the scenes get none!

How is it ok to post pictures of very young adults then as bait for sicko paedophiles? You’re still endangering a real person to a potential stalker/kidnapper/killer.

Oh of course they wouldn’t. That’s my big problem with it. They’re playing the big man out to protect kiddies etc but they’re really just throwing their weight around. Reminds me of a programme I watched about these men in 50s America who chased down and killed a Black man accused of raping a white woman. They were all yelling about how they need to protect women and whatnot but really they were just excited they’d found a socially ‘acceptable’ outlet for their violent and nasty urges.

And it still begs the question of why don’t they indulge their deep interest in justice through legal means? Why don’t they train up and join the police, become a safeguarding professional, work as a social worker or therapist, start a campaign for better safeguarding, volunteer for charities that help survivors in their spare time. Why is their brand of justice trying to bait pedophiles online by role playing as a child then posting it all on social media?

The problem, of course, is the internet. Lots of middle-aged men fantasise about young girls. It's not pleasant, but it's kind of normal. (When I say young, I don't mean pre-pubescent, I mean 13 to 16). Remember, evolution doesn't care about morality. From an evolutionary point of view, a 15-year-old girl is perfect for producing offspring – she's young and healthy. Before the internet, there was nothing to feed that fantasy, however. It was something that men kept hidden, and didn't even admit to themselves. Unfortunately, the internet caters to pretty much every dark thought or desire.

Please don’t pander to this ‘oh likkle bubbas they can’t help their primal urges’ nonsense. If that was true it would also be ‘perfectly normal’ for women to have sexual fantasies about teenage boys. It isn’t. It’s disgusting and wrong. Any man who fantasises about raping a 13 year old little girl is disgusting. Don’t make excuses for them.

And it’s not all the internet either I’m afraid. There have been ‘bad men’ since there have been men. You can look at any point in history and find children being raped by men.

@Kanaloa
All very good points. Also what is to stop vigilantes trying to identify a suspected paedophile and then doxing them so a lynch mob then turns up at their home? With no police powers, the likelihood of vigilantes posting a mistaken identity are too high.

And it still begs the question of why don’t they indulge their deep interest in justice through legal means?

Some undoutably do, but for the many knuckle draggers it's presumably not as much fun as getting a gang together, posting self congratulatory crap online and - as a PP mentioned - claiming you've got x number of offenders jailed when the actual involvement is questionable at best

@Discovereads

Too true. I mean what if they accidentally identify the wrong person? It can ruin someone’s life - that’s why the police don’t make a habit of posting ongoing investigations all over social media.

Agree with point above too - unfortunately the difficult and often heartbreaking work in social services and the justice system doesn’t really lend itself to the bragging and swaggering.