Full Moon mood

[Neverendingdust]

Is anyone else having a rather ‘meh’ weekend? I know the weather has been lovely but I can really feel it’s a full moon and was wondering if anyone else feels it too. My anxiety has been high this weekend, could be a coincidence but my mood is heavy so I did a Google et voila! It’s a Full moon tonight 😶 it’s almost as though my logical mind sends me an out of office whenever there’s a FM.

Maybe it’s just me lol…

As a PP has said, this is where the word 'lunatic' comes from.
I've heard (albeit anecdotal) 'evidence' that things (people!) can go a bit crazy during a full moon.
Me (and DH & the kids) were uncharacteristically all in a foul mood yesterday so maybe there is something in it... ??!

@LanaGardner

I havent been nasty. We must have very different definitions of what nasty is.

Is calling someone a debunker derogatory? Isn't that nasty?

@FoiledByTheInsect

Experience forms beliefs, absolutely. Conformation bias, cognitive dissonance, culture, upbringing. All relevant.

Doesn't change that somethings are objectively provable and other aren't

@HRTQueen

No, I don't believe womens cycles sync.

I'm sure there was recent research proving it a myth

@Neverendingdust

And others are fairly insistent that they are right in saying it does happen, despite a complete lack of evidence.

Why can't I disagree?

@LicoricePizza

Yes, some science is bad science

So where do we draw the line?

Do we dismiss it all of it doesn't suit us?

Do the vaccines cause autism and Bill gates wants to chip us all brigades have credence because sone science is bad?

It's objectively provable that mainstream medicine and psychology can't explain, treat or cure or even help all situations and all conditions. Also objectively provable that in some cases conventional treatment even makes things worse. Also objectively provable that science is making new discoveries, links and connections all the time.

Relevance to this thread: If multiple healthcare workers and police officers are coming on here all saying the same thing, they obviously have to "prepare" psychologically for a full moon nightshift, even though they have no idea why that might be. Finding out why, might help them. Dismissing it all as cognitive bias without systematically investigating and exploring the actual effect of increased light and moisture on human beings is unhelpful.

Isn't it something to do with water? The moon makes the tides ebb and flow, and as our bodies are mostly water, it could be affecting us too.
I have no evidence for this, it's just a thought.

@Whitedamask

Are tides different during a full moon? I've no idea.

So when will we shift that heavy feeling, I wonder.

@FoiledByTheInsect

It's objectively provable that mainstream medicine and psychology can't explain, treat or cure or even help all situations and all conditions. Also objectively provable that in some cases conventional treatment even makes things worse. Also objectively provable that science is making new discoveries, links and connections all the time.

I dont disagree. I do disagree the full moon has any large scale effect on humans behaviour.

I've worked in healthcare for more than 20 years. I've never once heard of anyone psychologically preparing themselves for a full moon.

Never heard it mentioned that anyone is even aware of when a full moon will be

Retrospectively associating a busy night with a full moon is conformation bias

There will have been countless worse nights that weren't on a full moon.

What do we attribute those to?

@Topgub

Of course not. But just because something hasn’t been proven empirically, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Which seems to be the main crux of your argument.

The empirical method is limited in that it cannot be used to explain some naturally occurring phenomena or human behaviour, when such phenomena are too complex & nuanced for a cause & effect form of study.
You couldn’t possibly control for all confounding variables because there would be too many, they couldn’t even be quantified in the first place, to be then measured in any meaningful statistical way.

Of course the empirical method is suitable for subjects that lend themselves to an objective cause & effect enquiry where you can pin down discrete variable & control for any confounding ones. Without it we’d be screwed.

Observing something phenomenologically however - what people see & feel & collectively notice -which is what’s basically been going on in this thread - is a far more helpful & meaningful way to try to understand something like the impact of the moon on us humans.

Just because there is no “science” on it doesn’t negate its existence or it’s validity. Nor should that be used to negate people’s experiences of it.

And blind faith in the “science” is pretty dangerous too.

That’s what I think anyway!

Brain hurts now lol

Never heard it mentioned that anyone is even aware of when a full moon will be
Ah ok, so you are not from Planet Earth. Greetings.

I've worked in healthcare for more than 20 years. I've never once heard of anyone psychologically preparing themselves for a full moon.

Well there you go, you learn something every day. The people you work with would probably never tell you anyway as they know exactly what kind of response they'd get. When I say "psychologically preparing" it's an internal knowing that there'll be more difficult customers in, that evening.

The energy at a full moon is higher, whether or not that's confirmation bias (but apparently it can't be as you claim that nobody knows about full moons anyway, so they aren't going to themselves "ok it's a full moon so I'll be deliberately driving around causing mayhem and kicking off this evening").

Retrospectively associating a busy night with a full moon is conformation bias

It's noticing a pattern that may or may not be related to the moon. I believe it is, you believe it isn't. Who cares. Either way, the moon waxes and wanes just like the sun rises and sets. So if you know that once a month things are getting a little hectic, you can also know that things will settle down again. Working with cycles - in any job not just healthcare - helps you to see that nothing is permanent, and that can help a lot with anxiety and stress.

There will have been countless worse nights that weren't on a full moon. What do we attribute those to?

Bad cup final result? I'd probably associate them with multiple patients with afflicted natal Neptunes arriving in A&E at the same time, but let's not go there.

hi everyone; for anyone vaguely into astrology and anything woo (and not anyone else!) it was a full moon lunar eclipse in scorpio last night (in a difficult aspect to Saturn which is considered a difficult planet in astrology). So in astrological terms it was a very significant time. Eclipses (there are usually 2 every six months) are often powerful change points, turning points for better or worse. Lunar eclipses usually symbolising endings, letting go (not always easy) (Solar eclipses can indicate new beginnings). Particularly in scorpio (the home sign of mars where the soft maternal energies of the moon moon don't particularly fit well in) this was always going to be a possibly difficult and emotional time for a lot of people. It's a great time to purge things from your life you no longer want, to let go of difficult emotions etc, toxic situations and people - even bodily weight or things that have weighed you down. It may not be an easy release but ultimately it is necessary. The energy usually lasts around 6 months. In good news there's meant to be some positive astrology upcoming in the next week or so which is almost a counterpoint to this difficult time. I do believe some people are more sensitive to the astrological energies that are in the air.

I’m so loving this thread! Thanks @puppetcat that actually has made a lot of sense!

I've felt great this weekend and have been extremely active and productive.

@LicoricePizza if you want to get super geeky and learn a bit more about it have a look at this segment of the astrology podcast on youtube, explaining about the scorpio lunar eclipse

(I am an astrology geek btw so ignore if it's too much for you lol!).

Well, I've been feeling better this weekend than at any time since my DP died more than 18 months ago.

If that's down to the weird moon stuff, I'd like it to be like that every day, please.

Thanks @puppetcat I will have a look. I don’t really know anything about astrology but love how apt it can sometimes feel. & that Scorpio lunar eclipse is really ringing bells here!

Perhaps I am a witch or something. I always find Friday 13ths are very good days! But then most Fridays are good, because it's Friday.

@FoiledByTheInsect

You couldn’t possibly control for all confounding variables

You can observe patterns of worsening behaviour by hospital inpatients during a full moon. Lots of studies have done this and found no pattern. Some full moons had no change in behaviour. Some nights on a half moon had much worse behaviour. There was no observable pattern like is being so vehemently defended on this thread.

And blind faith in the “science” is pretty dangerous too.

where do you draw the line between blind faith and accepting the data and available evidence?

Sorry above post should be for @LicoricePizza