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Lee Anderson, Ashfield MP insists Jack Monroe has made a fortune on the backs of the poor.

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newnamethanks · 15/05/2022 16:47

AIBU to hope for a libel trial as entertaining as Vardy v Rooney and an outcome that rivals the Katy Hopkins debacle?

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BornIn78 · 15/05/2022 20:05

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PAFMO · 15/05/2022 20:05

Whenthegoatcomesin · 15/05/2022 17:01

I really want to like her but…. Why does she keep claiming she doesn’t have a lot of money? It can’t be true these days. What is that?

It was never true.

If we all turn round three times and whisper "Jack Monroe is a construct", she'll come barging on the thread like she used to in the good old days.

Lee Anderson v Jack Monroe.

Hmm. Tough call.

But anybody thinking she does anything other than for her own 15 minutes needs to do some research.

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 20:06

Clymene · 15/05/2022 20:02

Schools need to teach cookery from a young age. And proper cookery and budgeting. We are failing our children because they just aren't taught any household management skills at all. My kids learned how to make scones and not much else. Where were the basic staples?

I am 40, but I remember doing gcse cooking. I made Mac n Cheese for 2 years as it was all based around the Cook/chill process for ready meals. Which we couldn’t recreate in a school fridge anyway.

dd is 17. Her experience wasn’t much different.

I learned to cook from exh as he was a chef. As has dd.

Soontobe60 · 15/05/2022 20:07

notthisTimeMr · 15/05/2022 17:36

Because one person has lived through hardship and is giving helpful advice and the other is privileged and judgemental with no concept of what it’s like to struggle only contempt for those that are

At some point in each of these peoples’ lives they have experienced hardship AND privilege.

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 20:07

If we all turn round three times and whisper "Jack Monroe is a construct", she'll come barging on the thread like she used to in the good old days.

Is this true? I have been on MN about 12 years and must have missed this m.

I find that quite funny 😄

BornIn78 · 15/05/2022 20:08

*Jack’s
Bloody auto correct.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 15/05/2022 20:09

No she pretended she was poor. She wasn’t.
She chose to live in the conditions she did. And uses that to pretend she knows what it’s like to be actually poor.

Leaving her job wasn't smart, and choosing to live on her benefits rather than being subsidised by her family is not what everyone would have done. But she lived on the same income other people have to live on. I don't think she is a liar.

grenlei · 15/05/2022 20:11

Whether or not you agree with Lee Anderson's politics, he's far better placed to comment on poverty and solutions than Jack Monroe who grew up with money and actively chose to be poor, or rather to pretend to be poor, a charade she maintains to some extent to the present day.

And her accounts of her own past poverty have been demonstrated to be full of inconsistencies and mostly fictional.

skodadoda · 15/05/2022 20:11

I have no idea how wealthy she is - as a previous poster says - she hasn't paid her taxes. But poor she isn't

No one said this, they said she hasn’t filed company reports.

ermagerdabear · 15/05/2022 20:12

Jack Monroe suggests strategies she has found helpful. MPs have subsidised restaurants and bars and a subsistence allowance as well as generous expenses. Monroe isn’t telling people that food poverty is down to their inability to cook or budget

What strategies she suggested? She spent hours (apparently) making a menu for a weeks food from an alleged £20, that wouldn't have fed a hamster and used store cupboard ingredients and stuff that wasn't in the list of food she said she'd bought. Then said that only she could do this sort of this thing, and if anyone else could do it, she'd donate money to a charity. How is that helpful, exactly? Nobody in poverty would make any of her recipes either. If you get a tin of beans from a foodbank, you're going to make beans on toast, not rinse them under the tap and stick them in a pan of her unedifying suggested slop.

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 20:13

TheYearOfSmallThings · 15/05/2022 20:09

No she pretended she was poor. She wasn’t.
She chose to live in the conditions she did. And uses that to pretend she knows what it’s like to be actually poor.

Leaving her job wasn't smart, and choosing to live on her benefits rather than being subsidised by her family is not what everyone would have done. But she lived on the same income other people have to live on. I don't think she is a liar.

She has a large family that helped her, in her own words, raise her child. She had support from the child’s father and parents who are wealthy.

She chose a life on benefits. That’s not poverty. It’s the Common people song. One of the worst things about poverty is the relentlessness and lack of choiceS

She chose to live like she did and could have changed it at any moment. That’s not the same for the people in poverty, she claims to understand and speak for.

Its ridiculous to suggest it’s anywhere near the same

HTH1 · 15/05/2022 20:13

I don’t think the MP is being fair. If Jack has genuinely helped the poor with budgeting and recipes, not sure why she should be expected to be a charity and work for free. Places like Brighthouse which encouraged the poor to buy expensive things they couldn’t afford using micro payments and ultimately pay several times the price are far worse morally, in my view.

Sorrynotsorryyeah · 15/05/2022 20:14

Leaving her job wasn't smart, and choosing to live on her benefits rather than being subsidised by her family is not what everyone would have done. But she lived on the same income other people have to live on. I don't think she is a liar

read what she’s said recently though. She said she can’t afford wifi at home and that she spends 95% of her salary on her rent. That’s just a bit of what she’s said - she definitely makes out that the poverty is current. From her Patreon alone she earns £2,700 a month (and she also has multiple best selling books, advertising deals and national newspaper columns). Her last partner was on 250k pa and she was tweeting poverty stuff while they lived together. Says she can’t afford to buy and has to rent yet buys loads of expensive furniture. It’s all a grift. I hope LA doesn’t back down so that all the questions can be put to her.

PAFMO · 15/05/2022 20:16

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 20:07

If we all turn round three times and whisper "Jack Monroe is a construct", she'll come barging on the thread like she used to in the good old days.

Is this true? I have been on MN about 12 years and must have missed this m.

I find that quite funny 😄

Oh aye.
Right gob on her.
It would all get deleted of course. It was around the time she was arsing around with the "today I identify as an aubergine" publicity shit.

AppleandRhubarbTart · 15/05/2022 20:17

emuloc · 15/05/2022 19:30

What a vile person, he is.

He's awful. I don't know anything about Jack's finances or whether her story adds up, but I do know what a piece of shit he is.

Theluggage15 · 15/05/2022 20:21

Yesterday she was tweeting she only had £100 in the bank and fell over herself asking people to send money to her Paypal for a mythical court case. Grifter.

jcyclops · 15/05/2022 20:24

@newnamethanks "AIBU to hope for a libel trial as entertaining as Vardy v Rooney"

Yes, you are being extremely unreasonable describing Vardy v Rooney as entertaining and wanting more of the mind numbing drivel.

notthisTimeMr · 15/05/2022 20:25

But how do we know that despite having family who had money whether they would have agreed to help her or not !!

im on benefits - my dm won’t ever help me yet lives mortgage free in a massive house and is quite wealthy - she just refuses to ever help even if she picks up a pint of milk for me she makes me pay for it !!!!
how can anyone comment on or think they know how supportive someone else’s family may or may not be

Fluval · 15/05/2022 20:25

Clymene · 15/05/2022 19:42

It is, however, almost certainly not tax evasion (where somebody deliberately attempts to not pay taxes that are owing). Tax evasion tends to be a tad mor sophisticated than ‘hey, how about I just don’t file my tax returns for a couple of years’.

What do you call failing to file accounts?

If you have a limited company, you channel all your income through that company. If you don't file your accounts, the HMRC doesn't know how much money your business has made. So you don't pay tax.

The accounts were supposed to have been filed last June. Still haven't been filed.

I'd call that tax evasion. Deliberately avoiding paying taxes that are owing.

It’s called a late filing, which will carry penalties (which increase depending on the lateness).

Forgetting to file does not equate to tax evasion, which requires a deliberate attempt to not pay taxes that are owing.

MaryAndHerNet · 15/05/2022 20:26

notthisTimeMr · 15/05/2022 20:25

But how do we know that despite having family who had money whether they would have agreed to help her or not !!

im on benefits - my dm won’t ever help me yet lives mortgage free in a massive house and is quite wealthy - she just refuses to ever help even if she picks up a pint of milk for me she makes me pay for it !!!!
how can anyone comment on or think they know how supportive someone else’s family may or may not be

You think a man that gets an MBE for services to fostering wouldn't help his own child?

Really?

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Wrongkindofovercoat · 15/05/2022 20:30

He's an ex coal miner

Does anyone know which pit he worked at and in what capacity and for how long ?

I can't help feeling that Mr Anderson would deflect back to Labour in a heartbeat if he thought it would win him enough votes to continue as an MP, when the next election takes place in two years.

Villagewaspbyke · 15/05/2022 20:31

Sorrynotsorryyeah · 15/05/2022 20:14

Leaving her job wasn't smart, and choosing to live on her benefits rather than being subsidised by her family is not what everyone would have done. But she lived on the same income other people have to live on. I don't think she is a liar

read what she’s said recently though. She said she can’t afford wifi at home and that she spends 95% of her salary on her rent. That’s just a bit of what she’s said - she definitely makes out that the poverty is current. From her Patreon alone she earns £2,700 a month (and she also has multiple best selling books, advertising deals and national newspaper columns). Her last partner was on 250k pa and she was tweeting poverty stuff while they lived together. Says she can’t afford to buy and has to rent yet buys loads of expensive furniture. It’s all a grift. I hope LA doesn’t back down so that all the questions can be put to her.

She claims to be so poor she turned the fridge off and sold the light bulbs and she and her infant son were on the verge of starvation. If my child was starving, I would not be too proud to ask anyone for help.

her stories dont add up at all.

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 20:32

notthisTimeMr · 15/05/2022 20:25

But how do we know that despite having family who had money whether they would have agreed to help her or not !!

im on benefits - my dm won’t ever help me yet lives mortgage free in a massive house and is quite wealthy - she just refuses to ever help even if she picks up a pint of milk for me she makes me pay for it !!!!
how can anyone comment on or think they know how supportive someone else’s family may or may not be

Because she admits it. She said she was too embarrassed.

But also blogged it all and pursued it becoming a career.

and she wrote an article talking about the many relatives and the child’s father that helped raise her child. She had support.

From a family who owns a guck ton of property and has revived awards for their charity work. And they just chose to let her and her child live in with no carpets and food?