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Lee Anderson, Ashfield MP insists Jack Monroe has made a fortune on the backs of the poor.

736 replies

newnamethanks · 15/05/2022 16:47

AIBU to hope for a libel trial as entertaining as Vardy v Rooney and an outcome that rivals the Katy Hopkins debacle?

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JemimaTab · 16/05/2022 00:51

Exactly. That is the ONE recipe since 2018. In my post, I said there was only one recipe published since 2018 - this is it

JemimaTab · 16/05/2022 00:55

And that’s what’s annoying I think. She makes claims that simply aren’t true, and people just believe her. The website is just one example.

Zotter · 16/05/2022 00:59

I also think that many people are in dire straits because they either can't or won't budget

Many of those on low incomes are in dire straits because the cost of living is higher than their income. You can’t budget with a minus figure.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind1 · 16/05/2022 01:27

Zotter · 16/05/2022 00:59

I also think that many people are in dire straits because they either can't or won't budget

Many of those on low incomes are in dire straits because the cost of living is higher than their income. You can’t budget with a minus figure.

It's cos they have Sky TV.

NewBootsAndRanty · 16/05/2022 01:39

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind1 · 16/05/2022 01:27

It's cos they have Sky TV.

And a big telly to watch it on.

severrely · 16/05/2022 02:54

I had a £27 grand a year job. I've not been brought up on benefits and a tracksuit watching Jeremy Kyle. I'm a middle class, well educated young woman who fell a bit by the way side. ~ Jack Monroe

BlushBlushBlush

KeepYaHeadUp · 16/05/2022 03:11

AllotmentTime · 15/05/2022 17:09

Why can she say it and he can’t…

Because she is drawing on personal experience of poverty to say “it’s shit, here are strategies that may help you”

Whereas he is looking down from a place of spectacular privilege to say “you’re doing it wrong and your poverty is your own fault”.

How people can’t see the difference between those two positions is astonishing to me.

This!

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 16/05/2022 03:54

Shocking that poor families should be allowed to watch TV, isn't it? Perhaps their children should be down the pit, or up the chimney, or maybe not born at all?🙄

Whether there is a libel action against Lee Anderson or not, the real question is whether someone who wasn't born poor should be the poster face for poverty porn. I see nothing wrong with Foodbanks offering classes to help parents budget and learn to cook in different ways to survive the appalling cost of living hike. And I don't care whether Mr Anderson worked above or below ground, I've supported the miners from childhood and I see nothing wrong in what he has said. I do, however, recoil from Monroe describing David Cameron as "misty-eyed" when she referred to the death of his child, whilst she herself has posted photos of her small boy, describing him as wearing too small clothes and looking hungry.

Real food for poor people isn't necessarily lentils, vegan meals and soft cheeses. Which of these meals do you think was our weekly food as children, usually the same meal on the same day?
Sugar Butties.
Fried Tomatoes (in lard) and sausage.
Cheese mixed with milk melted under the grill with sausage.
Pink Meat and Mash.
Jam Butties.
Hotpot.
Middle Neck & Barley.
Roast beef dinner.
Egg and chips.
White bread to bulk out every meal with Stork Margarine, onions and cheap paste.
When times were especially hard, we didn't ask mum what was for tea, as we would be told "food", and she would be embarrassed.

Families sharing meat when one family were paid ahead of their relatives. That's what we had to eat , except the sugar butties...my mum refused to descend to that...jam butties were a weekend treat and we weren't allowed to have the free school meals we were entitled to, because they were reserved for poor families.(I know) The first time I saw a yogurt was at secondary school. I still remember the reaction of other pupils when I returned a library book that had our rent card inside it .

Shit food for poor people? Yes.* But she was a superb baker, got food on tick when things were desperate , grew vegetables, had chickens, as had her own mother, who was a widow. It's called being proud, working class and totally devoted to her children. She owned nothing, gave away anything she could, and laughed at the days to come.

If someone had offered classes to the mothers in our street, I don't know whether they would have attended, or been offended. But they would have had a healthy distrust of anyone who has become famous by writing about their own child's hunger.

Those mothers went hungry, my mum went hungry, and I've done the same....it's not a badge of honour, it's putting your children first, every single time.

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 16/05/2022 04:04

And I know that if my mum had met Jack Monroe, she would have sat her down with a big mug of undrinkable coffee, laughed at the exotic ingredients, known the price of everything else to the last halfpenny, admired her hair and made her feel loved, happy and special. And maybe her ashtray ("Poor Old Fred He Smoked in Bed) and tomato sauce plastic tomato holder weren't Instagram-friendly, but so what?

I still miss her.

WeCouldBeSpearows · 16/05/2022 06:10

Real food for poor people isn't necessarily lentils, vegan meals and soft cheeses

I agree with you, but there's not much on your list that we ate back in the day (grew up poor in the 70s), and even less that my children would eat now. While they have enjoyed (and asked for the recipe of) some of Jack's accidentally vegan meals that were in her original cookbook.

And actually, lentils featured heavily in my diet when I was a child (usually lentil soup which was often vegan) and I still use them fairly often.

I'm sure your mother was amazing, and would have had no truck with Jack's recipes. That's fine. Personally I prefer Jack's recipes to what you've listed. I've yet to see one of her recipes with an 'exotic ingredient' that isn't readily available in the supermarket.

the real question is whether someone who wasn't born poor should be the poster face for poverty porn

Why do you have to be born poor to try to help others that are? She only got to that position because people appreciated what she was doing. Not everyone, obviously, but the ones that don't maybe don't need that kind of help. Do you have to be born into a musical family to help others learn to play music? Why does she have to be born poor in order to be considered worthy?

donquixotedelamancha · 16/05/2022 06:36

£30,000 - 6000 books. Doesn't seem like much of a profit to me.
Considering they have to get out to a lot of food banks

Her cut would be IRO £7,500.

PAFMO · 16/05/2022 06:38

severrely · 16/05/2022 02:54

I had a £27 grand a year job. I've not been brought up on benefits and a tracksuit watching Jeremy Kyle. I'm a middle class, well educated young woman who fell a bit by the way side. ~ Jack Monroe

BlushBlushBlush

And the Jeremy Kyle reference shows what she actually thinks the people she so desperately wants to help are like in reality.
Her mask slipped a long time ago.

PAFMO · 16/05/2022 06:39

KeepYaHeadUp · 16/05/2022 03:11

This!

You might want to read some of the facts about JM.

WarriorNewAgain · 16/05/2022 06:39

I really like her recipes. She's made companies change. She's really not great with the truth. He has a point.

Andromachehadabadday · 16/05/2022 06:44

I am not sure you need to be born poor. And it’s not about being ‘worthy’.

But if you are born into a poor family, getting out of poverty is extremely difficult. Choosing to live in poverty when you could just speak to your parents and have it all solved is completely different.

Going through a bad patch and being temporarily poor, is completely different to living in poverty year after year, with very little or no options.

JMs choice to live in poverty, then claims she continues to live in poverty to attempt to convince her chosen audience that she gets it and is one of them and understands them is ridiculous but also condescending and manipulative.

Someone who chose to live in poverty, telling people that she understands poverty is simply wrong. If she was honest about her circumstances, more people would react to her like they have reacted to Lee Anderson.

it’s the equivalent of people, who have always had their own home, claiming they know what it’s like to be homeless because they tried it once as part of a charity event to sleep ‘rough’. It’s not the same.

Sorrynotsorryyeah · 16/05/2022 06:50

Why do you have to be born poor to try to help others that are? She only got to that position because people appreciated what she was doing. Not everyone, obviously, but the ones that don't maybe don't need that kind of help. Do you have to be born into a musical family to help others learn to play music? Why does she have to be born poor in order to be considered worthy?

the difference is that she pretends to be poor herself. after she appeared In Sainsbury’s ads, sold 100,000 books and appeared on TV countless times, she was still saying it. She was talking about not affording bills when living with a partner earning quarter of a million quid a year. Her actual timeline shows that her time on benefits was exceptionally brief and her family could have helped. I struggled to afford food when I was at Uni and after graduation for instance. I’d never dare call myself poor though because it was temporary and if I’d asked for help, it would have stopped. How many people who genuinely are born into grinding poverty manage to land a flourishing media career in their early 20s do you think?
Help the poor all you like but don’t pretend to be one of them.
Her flirtation with being trans (she started taking testosterone for a while) and some of her apparent disabilities that don’t make sense when properly investigated (eg says she can’t walk yet clearly can) shows that it’s all about the attention with this one.

KittyWindbag · 16/05/2022 06:52

There are hundreds of pages of utterly frothing rage aimed at jack monroe over on tattle. It’s so furious with her mere existence that it’s laughable, except it’s not. It’s deranged. I’d wager a few of those are here now.

like her or not, she is on the right side and she speaks the truth on poverty and the unacceptable shit the government and their assembled pit bulls in the media spew about poor people.

Also, just because you came from an ‘okay’ background does not give you lifelong protection from sliding horribly into poverty. That’s why it’s so frightening and horrid. Lots of people are only a paycheck away or a late rent away or a missed benefits payment away from the slippery slope into serious poverty. It never ceases to amaze me how blind people are to this.

Sorrynotsorryyeah · 16/05/2022 07:00

Also, just because you came from an ‘okay’ background does not give you lifelong protection from sliding horribly into poverty. That’s why it’s so frightening and horrid. Lots of people are only a paycheck away or a late rent away or a missed benefits payment away from the slippery slope into serious poverty. It never ceases to amaze me how blind people are to this.

yeah, duh, we all know that, I think. The difference is that we don’t keep going on about our own serious poverty when we’re actually raking in nearly 3 grand a month from one of our online begging-bowls alone (plus have a column, five books and various TV deals).

WarnerSisters · 16/05/2022 07:21

PAFMO · 16/05/2022 06:38

And the Jeremy Kyle reference shows what she actually thinks the people she so desperately wants to help are like in reality.
Her mask slipped a long time ago.

Very big Young Tory Energy vibes here from JM.

WarnerSisters · 16/05/2022 07:28

KittyWindbag · 16/05/2022 06:52

There are hundreds of pages of utterly frothing rage aimed at jack monroe over on tattle. It’s so furious with her mere existence that it’s laughable, except it’s not. It’s deranged. I’d wager a few of those are here now.

like her or not, she is on the right side and she speaks the truth on poverty and the unacceptable shit the government and their assembled pit bulls in the media spew about poor people.

Also, just because you came from an ‘okay’ background does not give you lifelong protection from sliding horribly into poverty. That’s why it’s so frightening and horrid. Lots of people are only a paycheck away or a late rent away or a missed benefits payment away from the slippery slope into serious poverty. It never ceases to amaze me how blind people are to this.

This idea about “right side” and “wrong side” is so dangerous and damaging to society. There are, sadly, plenty of figures who have raised huge amounts for charity but who turn out to be corrupt/abusers/outright monsters. While JM may not have done anything nearly that bad, the fact that she’s on the same “side” that I suspect everyone on this thread is on (anti-Tory, anti-poverty, pro-equality, pro-access to healthy and good food) doesn’t mean she can’t also be grifting people.

There have been plenty of links on here about her crowdfunding issues and patreon begging, particularly the non-delivery of most of what she’s promised and the credit-claiming for things she wasn’t responsible for.

She’s not a monster, but we do desperately need to allow some critical analysis and thinking into how we view public figures.

JustDanceAddict · 16/05/2022 07:31

I read a blog from her stating that she was by no means rich and that she obviously has lived experience of being on the breadline so can realistically advise other people. A Tory MP cannot and they are saying what someone ‘should do’ rather than what they ‘could do’.
I’m no fan of hers but i hate being told what to do by someone who has no experience of the specific situation especially if it’s from a patronising twat!

sst1234 · 16/05/2022 07:41

JustDanceAddict · 16/05/2022 07:31

I read a blog from her stating that she was by no means rich and that she obviously has lived experience of being on the breadline so can realistically advise other people. A Tory MP cannot and they are saying what someone ‘should do’ rather than what they ‘could do’.
I’m no fan of hers but i hate being told what to do by someone who has no experience of the specific situation especially if it’s from a patronising twat!

So you didn’t actually read the thread?

AppleandRhubarbTart · 16/05/2022 07:41

MaryAndHerNet · 15/05/2022 23:02

The cooking lessons are offered, not compulsory.

What I'd like to know is, given the propensity for sharing their lif e on SM, where are all the stories and photos of Jack preparing packages for the poor? Where's the tweets featuring her delivering packages? Wheres the hours she's out in to actually help her local trussel trust?

If she spent time doing minimum wage as she does cyber panhandling, she'd be earning plenty in no time.

Can you tell us the source for that? Reason I ask is because Anderson claimed otherwise, so it's a bit worrying if he's misleading the Commons. If you are correct, either he's lying on purpose, or he knows so little about the food bank he's apparently involved in that he's getting pretty basic things wrong.

Clymene · 16/05/2022 07:41

JustDanceAddict · 16/05/2022 07:31

I read a blog from her stating that she was by no means rich and that she obviously has lived experience of being on the breadline so can realistically advise other people. A Tory MP cannot and they are saying what someone ‘should do’ rather than what they ‘could do’.
I’m no fan of hers but i hate being told what to do by someone who has no experience of the specific situation especially if it’s from a patronising twat!

You might want to look into Lee Anderson's background.

Theluggage15 · 16/05/2022 07:42

So you just lap up everything Monroe says but have no idea about the background of the ‘patronising twat’. Hahaha.

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