Amber Heard - but wait hear me out!! Watch this

[MrsMingech]

So I was on the fence with these two, and I read the threads but didn't follow them and when I searched them I only found and old one.

My search efforts suck, clearly.

Theres many recordings, albeit put together by a clear DP Pom Pom shaker. But it can't be denied (unless it's suggested it's another woman).

Its so bullying, awful
and nasty, I couldn't list to it all.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SaPZpFhcg

if there's a more relevant thread that I suspect I've have missed please link and I will ask for this to be deleted. I swear I did search first.

Only if you want it to mean that. It doesn’t actually mention anything about male victims at all. Because the focus is on women.

No, he didn’t. He wanted it in the public eye - he said as much. He wanted to ruin her.

I believe she was raped, yes.

You've lost me now.

Mercy is denying that’s what they meant.

Well, unfortunately, the court doesn't.

Neither do I.

I was neutral at the start but she lost me around the Kate Moss incident and the bottle incident where she claimed she didnt know if it was the broken one. She over egged it.

No, he didn't want it in the public eye. You are literally making things up.

@Pumperthepumper believed she was raped based upon what though? There's zero evidence.

You mean midlife? She isn't. She's denying she meant we shouldn't believe women, because thats not what she said.

It's all very lovely and sweet automatically believing all women, but it's all very naive, and it's very damaging.

Because she said she was. And given he was abusive and drug and alcohol addled throughout their marriage, I think the balance of probability is in her favour.

Damaging to who?

So is everything a woman says true, Pumper?

Johnny has said repeatedly that hes only a threat to himself and I believe him.

Victims, male and female.

Elaine in hot water just now - Amber perjured herself in court talking about the attorneys fees and Elaine repeated it in closing statements. Amber caught in another lie. Shocker.

How?

@Pumperthepumper That doesn't mean he raped her just because she said he did. That is a massive and very dangerous leap to make. Being a drug addict does not make someone a rapist. Courts work on evidence and considering there is none, it cannot be proved that anything like that happened and not particularly fair or ethical to accuse someone of such a heinous crime based upon the word of someone who has been proven to tell numerous lies.

I have no evidence either way, and I’m not on the jury. The poster asked if I believed she was raped, and I do.

Because it affects real victims, Pumper. If you believe every woman it gives them the opportunity to lie and manipulate and you might as well do away with a justice system. I'm not sure when or why you decided that women are all good people but it's not the case.

Amber's private investigator is circulating the headlines

"When Amber hired me she wanted proof that Johnny was a serial abuser for women and I couldn't find that.
'I couldn't find another women who said Johnny abused them.
Barresi said he interviewed more than a dozen people whose rent, medical bills, house payments, car payments and even bail and even legal fees were paid by Johnny."

He also calls her an opportuninist who wanted to ruin Johnny's career.

Incidentally, what evidence would you have accepted to change your mind and believe her?

Based on the fact she's a woman. If you were a witness in court, your evidence would be thrown out.

How does believing women mean that women aren’t believed? Or that men aren’t?

Because, outside of your world, if you automatically believe a woman, then you don't believe a man.

And if people like you believe Amber just because shes a woman even though she discredits victims, it dilutes the water for genuine women.

Is there a reason you automatically believe all women?

But surely then the opposite is also true. If you decide you’re not believing anyone when they say they’ve been raped, how does anyone get justice?

On the balance of evidence.

I believe them based on that, not on their sex.

And on the balance of evidence, Amber is lying out of her backside.

What evidence though? What evidence would it take for you to believe her?

Are you honestly telling me you believe every single woman about every accusation (therefore immediately assuming every man is lying?)

Before we go on to that, what evidence would you accept before you believed her?