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To wonder what is wrong with these women who write to and then want to marry serial killers?

110 replies

AlternativePerspective · 12/05/2022 06:41

Story here:
Levi Bellfield: Serial killer applies to marry in prison www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61418262
Now, face to face it’s potentially easy to get drawn in by someone who turns out to be abusive. But this man is a convicted murderer, and this woman presumably deliberately started writing to him, and now wants to marry him?

We all know he’s lowlife, but wtf is wrong with her?

For me this is even worse than someone who stands by a family member who has committed a hideous crime. The friendship would be over the instant they even started writing to him, and if it was a family member I would be going immediately NC>.

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Porcupineintherough · 12/05/2022 12:03

I would imagine a considerable number just get off on the idea of rape, murder and torture. Not all women are sane "nice".

YNK · 12/05/2022 12:14

I also think this should be studied.
My hypothesis is that coercive control is far reaching, especially in a system where it is openly practiced and legitimised, like prison and other institutions where a loss of liberty is involved and cruelty and brutality become the driving force.
It's hardly surprising the powerless will use the same tools that are used to control them.

Hintofreality · 12/05/2022 12:15

The are clearly disturbed individuals, social services should be informed and they should be watched very, very closely. They are a potential danger to anyone around them.

GregBrawlsInDogJail · 12/05/2022 12:16

Porcupineintherough · 12/05/2022 12:03

I would imagine a considerable number just get off on the idea of rape, murder and torture. Not all women are sane "nice".

That seems very unlikely. Overwhelmingly these women are rather sad, needy, dependent people, not budding psychopaths. There are much easier ways to indulge violent fantasies than by proxy from someone in prison. And no, we don't lock people up for being emotionally damaged and rather pathetic.

1dayatatime · 12/05/2022 12:37

Hintofreality · 12/05/2022 12:15

The are clearly disturbed individuals, social services should be informed and they should be watched very, very closely. They are a potential danger to anyone around them.

I totally agree and sadly there will always be evil and twisted individuals in society and there has been throughout history. It's just not knowing who they are that is the scary part.

So in a way it's actually helpful that she has "outed" herself as a clearly disturbed / sick individual that should definitely be very very carefully monitored.

Tamzo85 · 12/05/2022 12:39

@Hintofreality

Yep, these women are just one Charles Manson like figure away from being murders themselves.

PinkiOcelot · 12/05/2022 13:31

I don’t think it should be allowed to go ahead. Not just for him, but for anyone in prison. It’s ridiculous.
What kind of woman must they be who want anything to do with monsters like him, let alone marry them.

AlternativePerspective · 12/05/2022 13:54

At the very least any children these women have should be removed.

While these men obviously can’t hurt the children from the inside, children shouldn’t have to grow up with Levi Bellfield or his ilk as a stepfather, or have such a relationship normalised.

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NippyWoowoo · 12/05/2022 15:41

This comment tickled me 'This story seems a little surprising, but if you see the picture that Dagmar fell in love with it is, frankly, astonishing. He may have many charming accomplishments to recommend him as a husband, but Harris is not a bonny boy.'

Off to Google now 😂

NippyWoowoo · 12/05/2022 15:49

savoycabbage · 12/05/2022 10:05

I thought Elaine Figg was married to Daniel Craig! Perhaps they were just living together.

Ironically, I think it's because they feel safe with someone who is never getting out of prison. They can't go on lads holidays to Magaluf or flirt with your sister or ghost you and they are dependent on you contacting them.

Surely you're just better off being single 😂 I'd rather be a singleton for life than have a relationship' with that 🤢

Momicrone · 12/05/2022 15:52

Maybe they're part of the johhny Depp fan club

Donotgogentle · 12/05/2022 16:01

Tamzo85 · 12/05/2022 10:19

@RoseLunarPink

Yes ol Darcy is a good egg after all. But isn’t the outwardly bad man being inwardly good and the outwardly good man being inwardly bad a large part of what makes the story resonate with women on a attraction level because it morally validates them being attracted to the bad boy and not attracted to the seemingly nice guy?

Like it’s morally all right to be attracted to the brooding asshole all along because he’s just misunderstood and really good underneath, whereas the nice man with the good manners is secretly a total cad and abuser.

Thats kind of the genius of the story and what makes it Austens most popular imo - it taps into female attraction at a visceral level and says “if it feels right it must be good” - and wraps it all up in a witty little package with a twee country bow on top. Whether she intended to do that with Darcy/Wickham or whether she was just writing her own fantasy is another thing.

Interesting analysis and I agree with you. I saw an interview with Colin Firth years back and he said he found Mr Darcy’s appeal problematic for reasons like this.

Lolllllllllllll · 12/05/2022 16:03

I think they crave the excitement and notoriety of knowing or dating a serial killer. It's beyond sick. I don't know why it's allowed.
I get that everyone deserves to be treated as a human but surely if that was your motivation you could give attention to the billions of innocent people living in awful conditions.

Neverreturntoathread · 12/05/2022 16:13

Saviour complex. So many girls romance stories are based around the idea that you can take a crap man and make him into a hero (and that this leads to the heroine feeling fulfilled). Can’t get much crapper than a serial killer.

And low standards, of course.

Bouledeneige · 12/05/2022 16:55

It is unbelievable and disturbing. I've always been shocked by this phenomenon.

I remember reading about women fawning over Chris Watts and writing to him in prison. He was convicted of murdering his wife and two little girls (who begged him not to) who he then threw in an oil sump so he could be with his new girlfriend. I wondered what on earth was wrong with the women that they could find a psychopath attractive. I don't really believe they think they can cure them - they are wounded and ill. That's all I can imagine.

KookaburraSit · 12/05/2022 17:00

I don't know but I really wish the press would stop giving this piece of shit headlines. He's desperate for attention, desperate to still feel important now he can't rape and murder women anymore. This is his only way of feeling powerful still and the press are giving it to him.

PandoraP · 12/05/2022 17:00

I saw this on the news today and think it’s so weird too. Disturbing.

DarleneSnell · 12/05/2022 17:29

God knows. Sick and twisted women do exist, so there's that. There are also sad, weird women who get off on the thrill of being desirable enough for a bad boy to change his behavior.

Regardless I blame the system which indulges this absolute shit.

Philisophigal · 12/05/2022 18:04

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Tamzo85 · 12/05/2022 18:10

@Philisophigal

But how did that start? Did you know him before or did you just write to him for the express purpose of writing to a man on death row? Why on earth would you do that?

Tamzo85 · 12/05/2022 18:20

@Philisophigal

Irs also true THEY can’t get into any trouble but they can still get you into trouble or bring trouble on you. It’s not like criminals on the inside can’t contact other criminal types on the outside to get them to do things for them. After all it was easy enough for them to contact you and these other women.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 12/05/2022 18:24

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The trouble is, a lot of women who write to prisoners are vulnerable and some of these men will exploit that vulnerability. Obviously not saying that's your case but it's happened.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 12/05/2022 18:26

Ian Watkins of Lostprophets still has a lot of fans and naive women supporting him. He is not a man who is remorseful either and he is a danger to society, he shouldn't be allowed contact with females in my opinion.

Organictangerine · 12/05/2022 18:33

Waxonwaxoff0 · 12/05/2022 18:24

The trouble is, a lot of women who write to prisoners are vulnerable and some of these men will exploit that vulnerability. Obviously not saying that's your case but it's happened.

Why are they vulnerable?

Waxonwaxoff0 · 12/05/2022 18:35

Organictangerine · 12/05/2022 18:33

Why are they vulnerable?

Read all the posts on this thread. Women who write to prisoners often have extremely low self esteem and are easily manipulated.

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