To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

Voting is fine.

but if everyone had same info as those who didn’t care the fear factor wouldn’t have been so high.

There are many different ideas out there if you care to explore the, and it's not always about excluding groups based on arbitrary factors like age and gender. Honestly, something along the lines of Starship Troopers. The book not so much the film is my line of thinking.

Certain forms of public duty earns the right to citizenship and therefore the vote. Military service just for one example.

When people have no real skin in the game, they shouldn't have a right to vote over other lives. If you want to shirk responsibility for the world we live in fine, but it means you don't get a say. Rights should come with responsibility, and not be a one way street.

One great example of failure of rights/responsibility is the NHS. We certainly wouldn't have an NHS crisis if people didn't abuse alcohol, cigarettes and shovel cake down their throats. The "right" to healthcare certainly isn't being matched by individual responsibility. I think society as a whole needs to have a serious think about how things are run.

The last two years have shown large numbers of people are happy and content to be told what to do and what to think, some even seem to prefer it to freedom. I don't really mind that, but the fact they influence political discourse, and can vote over my life does bother me.

And to be clear, I'm not sure I would ever be a voter, so I'm not trying to be superior. If a smaller better filtered voter base choose better leaders, I wouldn't need to earn a right to citizenship or the vote.

You mean the lampposts?

I didn’t focus on that but no I can’t stand violence against politicians on here. I don’t even go for online abuse.

I sure have samphire but noted it being blithely reposted.

Just report it if it sticks out to you

Get a grip. They are violent to us all the time and usually escape accountability when that violence is abused.

Can you and Piggy battle it out

it’s the op who wants to report it.

Pp not op

Here we go again, arguing about the trivial when the UK is drifting to disaster with an incompetent government at the helm only worried about keeping Johnson in his job in the hope the Tories can save their jobs. A Tory party which claims the post-Brexit world will be full of sunlit uplands, reduced red tape, an economy in boom, lower food prices, extra cash for the NHS, high wages and apple pie for tea. The Tories have no plan to resuscitate the economy (unlike the Germans who are investing heavily in new industries) and Sunak is sitting on a cash pile to bribe the electorate in 2024. I think we are heading for a reckoning with our political class but it be too late for some.

I reported it immediately as it was posted, I've not heard back from MNHQ yet.

Actually I'll go further.

Remove all police and secret service protection for politicians and head of state. If the country isn't safe enough for the PM or the queen to walk the street, it's not safe for any of us.

Politicians should be perpetually terrified of the public, maybe if they were they would make better decisions.

I'm quivering.

They are all hypocrites.

Boris et al did all they could to avoid investigation and once found guilty, failed to resign

Beergate looks like it's going the same way.

It's so sad to see that so many MN posters can't see beyond the manipulation of the truth by the Tory press. A long planned tactic to take the heat off and divert the abysmal polll results and the inevitable castigating report by Sue Gray - which they will not be able to hide for much longer. No matter which puppet they put in place at the top of the Met.

Just think about it logically.
Anyone can have an 'investigation' launched against them for what ever reason given sufficient allegations.

I am a criminal investigator. (Gov not police) . I receive tens of 'allegations' every day. Some are legitimate. (Less than 5% ) ! Most are spurious attempts to cause trouble for the accused. Some are genuine but are related to issues of morals and opinions yet do not break any laws.

All have to be investigated.

The BIG difference is the outcome. Johnson was found to have breached the law and fined. There is a LOT more to come.

Starmer is being 'investigated' due to pressure from anti-labour allegations. He has not been found guilty of anything and will not be.

People really need to start looking beyond the DM headlines. A paper that is so lost to journalistic integrity that it is now truly in the sewer.

If he isn’t fined then they’re not ‘all the same’ and a lot of posters will look stupid for trotting out that tired trope. We’ll see.

"For the whole of the lockdowns that is exactly what DH and all of his colleagues did. They worked all over the country, even in the red zones, on various communication infrastructures. They travelled in separate vehicles. Worked as best they could on site and then went back to separate hotel rooms where they had often luke warm food delivered to them because no hotel was making food for much of the time. Given the hours they had booked on sites, travel time and online site inductions, etc etc, they could be alone in a hotel room for 12-18 hours at a time.

So yes. If that is what the restrictions of the time required."

Except they weren't the rules at the time. If he continued working, as he has always said he did, and the schedule shows he was going to do, then he was entitled to stop and eat there. When I was at work at the time (public sector, following guidance provided by govt) we were told we were allowed to stop and eat, at our desks with those we were working with. That was the rules.

If he continued working, it was within the rules

If... and there is a question mark over that. A couple of them it seems.

Seriously, it isn't worth defending any of them when we do not have the full facts. Wait, see what happens, if anything.more comes out.

Depressingly more probably will! Maybe even for the Lib Dems!!

I understand there is a whistleblower ready to spill the beans on beergate, makes me think certain elements of the opposition want to offload their leader following the local elections where gains were disappointing outside London.

makes me think certain elements of the opposition want to offload their leader following the local elections where gains were disappointing outside London.

You'd think that the Tories would be doing the same given their disastrous results.

No credible alternative leaves them in quite the pickle.

Starmer went on and on and on about what happened in No 10. So much so that he was told to start concentrating on cost of living. He is a smug prig and wanted lockdown after lockdown. He supported Corbyn and seems to have no real ideas. He tells people not to vote for Tories but doesn’t say why you should vote for Labour.

Bring on AR. Then Labour really would be trashed for years.

Maybe even for the Lib Dems!!

What would they be busted for scoffing? Tories were wine and cheese, Labour were beer and a curry.

Greens would be a vegan Greggs but there aren't enough of them to break the rules.

So his statement that he carried on working after the food. What did he do? I suspect this meal was always planned hence the memo that has been leaked.

AR was also there. How did they forget that?

Did it not stick out to you Marsha? Really?

They’re not all the same regardless, Boris Johnson is the Prime Minister! Obviously he should be held to a higher standard than anyone else.

First time I've ever heard that. Most people say the complete opposite. I'll keep an open mind.