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Labscollie · 2022-05-08T07:24:11+00:00

Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

MarshaBradyo · 08/05/2022 12:55

SleeplessInEngland · 08/05/2022 12:49

Also, to add, the “they’re all as bad as each other” mantra is exactly what the tories want from this. Make everything equivalent, even if it’s not, and lower expectations so much that nothing matters. Only they benefit when the bar is lowered.

It looks like some of his own party want him to leave, and Lib Dems, if fined

he should stay but he’ll get pressure from his own party and some of the public too

Notlabeled · 08/05/2022 12:57

The only takeaway from this whole nonsense is that those who are elected to make laws;
Didn't worry about catching covid,
Didn't worry about spreading covid,
Didn't feel the need to have ANY mitigations against covid.

If those with access to all the latest information, talked to the scientists and were privy to all the briefings, didn't believe there was any serious threat from covid, why on earth were the rest of us locked down with freedoms taken away and the economy wrecked.

Every single parliamentarian should be arrested and tried for treason, for the actions they took against the public for a virus they knew full well wasn't a threat or danger. They have all been complicit in the greatest lie ever told, and most of the media should be arrested along side them.

If these scum genuinely believed there was serious risk, they would of been hiding in bunkers not sharing a curry or having a cake.

Lying scum, pure and simple.

MarshaBradyo · 08/05/2022 13:01

ElsieMc · 08/05/2022 12:49

I don't have any issue with the beer and curry at all. Yes, a bit unclear as to rule breaking. What gets me is his relentless focus on partygate which I think covered up his lack of ideas. There is only the windfall tax and how long would that take to come to fruition. No Corbyn fan but at least he had ideas, some mad ones, but ideas all the same.

I dont get comments on here and across various media saying if he went they would get a better leader. That leader could well be Angela Rayner which could consign Labour to the wilderness once again. I see that Lisa Nandy roundly defended KS today but Angela Rayner has said (according to BBC) that he should resign if issued with a fine. Hmmm.

I agree generally (although Corbyn lost by a landslide so Starmer needs more but not that ;)

but if AR wants him to go, wouldn’t the same apply to her?

SleeplessInEngland · 08/05/2022 13:01

MarshaBradyo · 08/05/2022 12:55

It looks like some of his own party want him to leave, and Lib Dems, if fined

he should stay but he’ll get pressure from his own party and some of the public too

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If he’s fined he’ll have to go. Even his supporters accept that. But again, not a great look for Johnson.

not that a fine is a given, after reading legal Twitter. Downing St didn’t get fined for the garden party, and this isn’t materially different.

zafferana · 08/05/2022 13:04

PoppyFleur · 08/05/2022 10:37

The right wing media agenda is nothing short of brilliant. We are fed a daily diet of cakegate and partygate. This brilliant diversionary tactic keeps us preoccupied and bickering amongst ourselves.

It keeps us too preoccupied to notice farmers talking about produce rotting in fields due to lack of agricultural labour.
Too busy to notice the ambulance queues at A&E, the thousands of open job vacancies for clinical staff. The thousands of vacancies for care workers.
We are too busy to consider the cost of living crisis, with food, utilities and clothing all rising.
Too busy to notice the lorry queues at ports.
Too busy to care about the huge amount of debt accrued in the last few years, the billions wasted on a failed track and trace system and faulty PPE. On covid business loans to companies set up just weeks after the scheme launched.
Too busy to notice the dwindling numbers of police, the attacks on the CPS and the very fabric of democracy with bills passed in the Lords shackling our right to protest.

If history has taught us anything it’s that propaganda works.

Do we really no longer care about ourselves, our families, our communities, our country?

When the only thing that matters is that your side is beating the other side - regardless of policies, governance or morality- then all is lost.

Well said @PoppyFleur . I don't want to hear about fucking beergate and partygate. I don't even really want to hear wall-to-wall war in Ukraine, awful though that is, because we have so many serious issues here in the UK that are not being talked about. We're totally distracted by all this other shit, that actually doesn't have a huge impact on most people's day-to-day lives, unlike all the stuff that doesn't get talked about.

noblegiraffe · 08/05/2022 13:08

for the actions they took against the public for a virus they knew full well wasn't a threat

Johnson ended up in ICU, so I'm not sure he's the right poster boy for 'not following the rules was clearly ok'.

Zilla1 · 08/05/2022 13:09

Spot on. All those stories and managed PR is crowding out important issues like the Cambridge's wedding anniversary and the Jubilee.

Zilla1 · 08/05/2022 13:09

And the parts of the Caribbean tour that went well.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/05/2022 13:15

for the actions they took against the public for a virus they knew full well wasn't a threat

Oh! Short memories abound, it seems.

Surely it's too early to be so revisionist!

As @noblegiraffe said, he was in ICU for a while. He's not really a shining example of "shit only happens to other people" in this instance

sst1234 · 08/05/2022 13:17

Notlabeled · 08/05/2022 12:57

The only takeaway from this whole nonsense is that those who are elected to make laws;
Didn't worry about catching covid,
Didn't worry about spreading covid,
Didn't feel the need to have ANY mitigations against covid.

If those with access to all the latest information, talked to the scientists and were privy to all the briefings, didn't believe there was any serious threat from covid, why on earth were the rest of us locked down with freedoms taken away and the economy wrecked.

Every single parliamentarian should be arrested and tried for treason, for the actions they took against the public for a virus they knew full well wasn't a threat or danger. They have all been complicit in the greatest lie ever told, and most of the media should be arrested along side them.

If these scum genuinely believed there was serious risk, they would of been hiding in bunkers not sharing a curry or having a cake.

Lying scum, pure and simple.

Yes, the response to Covid was in the category of ‘lady doth protest too much’. All the while, the people really in the know went about their business as normal.

Notlabeled · 08/05/2022 13:21

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mommandme · 08/05/2022 13:21

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist

Is there a source, a quote a link you can provide for this? Not being aggressive, but I do like to base my beliefs on the available evidence.

If it's hearsay / rumour / unsubstantiated, I will give benefit of the doubt, until evidence can be provided otherwise. But if there is evidence to support this, then I'd like to see it, as I will rethink my thoughts.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/05/2022 13:24

To avoid being accused of cherry picking links, if you Google it you'll find it in a few places, mainstream media

Something like latest news beergate should get it.

MarshaBradyo · 08/05/2022 13:26

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Yes because the daily covid campaign got to the public, not them. People demanded lockdown etc

I share your annoyance

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/05/2022 13:26

I should add, I didn't look for it, it appeared in my newsfeed. So it must be a popular story as I haven't read anything about this before. I'm not a Tory voter, I am/was a card carrying Labour member from 18 - 50 years old. Now politically homeless.

Notlabeled · 08/05/2022 13:31

MarshaBradyo · 08/05/2022 13:26

Yes because the daily covid campaign got to the public, not them. People demanded lockdown etc

I share your annoyance

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Even more reason universal suffrage needs to come to an end.

Zilla1 · 08/05/2022 13:36

@Notlabeled but how far back do you want to go? Is it still votes for women? Only for property owners? Over 30? Over 21? Votes for those pesky metropolitan areas that tend to vote Labour? Votes for universities? Reform is needed but what did you have in mind?

zafferana · 08/05/2022 13:37

People demanded lock down

Indeed they did. I remember numerous threads on MN in the week preceding the first lock down in which large numbers of posters wrote variations of 'I really wish they'd just lock us down now'. And throughout the pandemic there were hundreds of posts criticising the govt for being too lax, praising more autocratic govts and demanding greater restrictions on our lives in the UK.

Fairyliz · 08/05/2022 13:42

I don’t actually care about party gate or beer gate, I expect I would have taken part if I had been at either event.
However what annoys me is that politics is no longer about policies but simply slagging off the opposition. I don’t know what any party believes in any more.

Pumperthepumper · 08/05/2022 13:42

Florenz · 08/05/2022 12:50

Labour are always very keen to take the moral high ground, calling the Tories "evil" etc, which generally isn't the case from the Tories to Labour. So yes, it is quite correct that Labour are held to higher moral standards than the Tories. Starmer is an idiot for making so much of Boris's rule breaking when he broke the rules as well, why on earth he wouldn't think it would come out I don't know.

Why? The Tories are in power.

How2Help · 08/05/2022 13:44

lljkk · 08/05/2022 10:00

Would anyone like to indulge me & explain the known facts.
I thought this was the situation:

Starmer & others were working together all day, far from home
End of daytime hours: they sat down together for a meal
With meal, Starmer (& others?) had at least one beer
During meal, Starmer & others may have talked work
After meal Starmer & others may have done a bit more work together
No one "went home" that night because home was far away for everyone

Which part of above is incorrect

And what "should" they have done instead, if you are certain Starmer broke rules. Everyone should have eaten alone in a room by selves? Hotel or otherwise?

Who else besides Starmer at this event do you expect to be fined?

Yes, eating separately in own hotel rooms is, honestly, what we did at my work at the time.

I don’t think he should be fined. But in answer to your question I can hand on heart say that it what my colleagues and I did.

Piggywaspushed · 08/05/2022 13:53

I can't believe we let a post past and even quote it, that incites violence against politicians, murder in fact.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/05/2022 13:53

And what "should" they have done instead, if you are certain Starmer broke rules. Everyone should have eaten alone in a room by selves? Hotel or otherwise?

For the whole of the lockdowns that is exactly what DH and all of his colleagues did. They worked all over the country, even in the red zones, on various communication infrastructures. They travelled in separate vehicles. Worked as best they could on site and then went back to separate hotel rooms where they had often luke warm food delivered to them because no hotel was making food for much of the time. Given the hours they had booked on sites, travel time and online site inductions, etc etc, they could be alone in a hotel room for 12-18 hours at a time.

So yes. If that is what the restrictions of the time required.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/05/2022 13:55

Piggywaspushed · 08/05/2022 13:53

I can't believe we let a post past and even quote it, that incites violence against politicians, murder in fact.

Report it. The more that do...

Gilead · 08/05/2022 13:55

it didn’t ‘come out’, a local Durham MP (Tory) got pissed off when the police said we’ve investigated and found no wrongdoing, so he became like a dog with a bone. From what I’ve heard all new evidence has come via the Tories at a local level. Don’t know how accurate this is but do k ow how the MP operates.