To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

Outcome I predict :- Starmer et al will be treated same as Cummings by police. Given a caution or whatever is equivalent but no fine. Starmer lives to fight another day as does Boris. Most of country moves on and tries to forget the whole embarrassing attempt at cake / beer mutually assured destruction while a few pockets of the internet with obsessed and irrational people on both sides of the arguments continue to argue and get cross with each other ( much like covid, brexit etc)

Hmm. Except Cummings driving to Durham and testing his eyesight at Barnard Castle was an obvious breach of laws, he just didn’t get caught out at the time, whereas Keir Starmer’s behaviour isn’t. Tbh, though, this is another example of the Tories bringing the police into disrepute - suggesting they are affected by political pressure (although obviously only if the pressure is exerted by the Labour party - when Tories come before the police, they act without fear or favour, of course! 😂).

Doing wrong is worse than doing nothing. Starmer and the front bench are like thick planks of wood who possess no brains and no inclination to do anything. They are beyond pointless and have utterly failed at being at being an opposition while the government drove the economy off a cliff with the lockdowns. The consequences of which are unimaginable. People with bad intentions have the ability to change so you could work with them. Thick, incompetent people are a lost cause. Labour are the latter.

Well, if Saint Starmer does fall on his sword, there will be a new career walking on water.

Makes me cry that honesty and integrity in British politics is now seen as worse than lying, cheating and philandering. This is what this rabble in power have brought us to. A seemingly decent and honourable man, with a lifetime of public service, who people hate simply for being decent and honourable. Makes me weep.

Keep going on, @thecatfromjapan , because you very eloquently sum up what so many people are thinking - that politics, which should be an honourable calling, is being debased by so many who practise it now. The (once) few bad apples proliferate, especially in the highest echelons of Government, and taint the rest.

Also, not helpful to bring mention of Dominic Cummings back into the debate, as Boris Johnson’s ridiculous attempts to brush that episode under the carpet/shelter a blackmailing psychopath at the heart of the Government machine are another example of Boris Johnson’s failings he would probably rather were not resurrected.

I’m sorry it does your head in that not everyone’s as jaded as you, but they aren’t.

I agree with last part - whereas I’ll be glad it drops from media.. finally.

but I think it will be fine or no fine I do t think cautions will feature

Oh dear. It really hurts that the smear tactic has rebounded so badly, doesn't it?

But the point is we were all told we couldn't do it.
Whether we think it's logical is irrelevant, we were told day in day out it wasn't allowed
That's the point

As the Daily Mail reports, those Labour scallywags are trying to pressurise the hard-pressed police by raising the stakes. How fortunate the PM is a man of principle and didn't try to blackmail the Met by threatening to resign.

Absolutely. This isn’t a society I want to live in. I’m so glad I’m relatively close to the end of my life. I weep for our grandchildren’s generation growing up with integrity treated with contempt and corruption normalised. God only knows what society will be like by the time they’re my age. I’m grateful I won’t see it.

re next generation I feel equally strongly about the amount of debt and damage we passed on due to the pandemic. Adults who wanted that get to me more.

Interestingly, it seem that the mainstream media all knew about the video whilst Starmer was castigating Johnson!

So our mainstream media, not just the BBC, was helping shape all sorts of things, not least the elections. We are indeed being played.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/09/revealed-student-ivo-delingpole-james-breitbart-beergate-video-that-threatens-to-sink-starmer

Mind you, many of us are complicit in this, having chosen to ignore, explain away, any mentions of it, publication of the video in January etc etc.

Regardless of any outcome, we need to be more politically savvy. Our politicians, media, belief in the cult of the individual and politicking in general is becoming more and more American in tone by the day!

I can’t see that Starmer has used party gate to his advantage. He’s just simply pointing out that the prime minister - the prime minister no less! - has broken the very laws he made time and time and time again. This ought to be said. Repeatedly. Until people realise what a shower of shite we have in government. I don’t care about their policies. I don’t listen to anything they say, because nothing any of them say can be believed. They lie all the time.

This is the interesting and fairly depressing part for me

The power of the media to play us, Cummings got this right with Brexit (I voted remain but he knew how to motivate people), then with partygate.

The media also found out how selling fear was profitable over a long period with Covid

I’d like to see two things introduced to a higher level in education - better economics (the amount of posts on here show low understanding) and media criticism

Better equip newer generations against media storms and decide on economic policies

Delingpoles? Oh what a surprise.

"Interestingly, it seem that the mainstream media all knew about the video whilst Starmer was castigating Johnson!"

Eh? No-one thinks the video of him in his office holding a beer is new. It isn't the reason the investigation was recently opened.

I do think you need to train people to take a critical eye at news media but I think you can go too far - if you think everything you read in the paper is nonsense and all
politicians are lying scum you can end up believing conspiracy theory clap trap.

most people are immune to the daily Mail nonsense on this story. Most people can see Boris Johnson as a lying, conniving, scheming person only out for lining his own pocket in any way he can. Most people can see Keir Starmer as someone that is trying to do the right thing even though he’s a bit dull. Most people see Anglea Raynor as coarse but trying to do good things. Most people see that it was right to lock down with Covid until the vulnerable had been immunised. Most people can think for themselves.

@MarshaBradyo I know. I've been trying to put that into words on many threads during covid. Been shouted down on many of them, as have you I know. But I can't work out how I can engage with olitics in a way that is meaningful. Ignoring the mainstream media hasn't been all that successful, but something has to change, hasn't it? Educating the next generations is probably a good way to go. Though given the track record of many Sec Eds, maybe not!

@newnamethanks I know! Colour me purple, but somehow I wasn't surprised.

I meant that they, the media, had had the video for longer, 9 months longer, but didn't begin to use it until January. Laurence Fox tweeted it the following day, I believe. It was ignored because Starmer wasn't politically interesting enough, The Sun printed it buried where unimportant stories go (middle of page 2 of the second print edition only, the most unread page of any paper apparently) the media was focussed on Johnson. So for months the media had that video and watched Keir the Apparently Insignificant castigate Johnson and did bugger all with the infomtation they had.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/06/media-keir-starmer-lockdown-beer-footage

and yet we do see the impact the media and the right messaging can have

Brexit campaign was more effective - keep it simple, emotive, repetitive was a formula that worked and Cummings has used again

the petrol crisis increased demand by 400% in a weekend, supply wasn’t the bigger cause

partygate has had a big impact on public

Daily fear re Covid meant some misjudged their risk

since the media moved mostly online clickbait headlines are more important - before this you’d just pick up your usual paper regardless. Now attention and clicks matter more.

we get stuck in feedback loops. The media ham it up, the public care and demand in response and the cycle continues

I would never claim people can’t think or are thick (I’ll leave that to Labour supporters) but I do think we could learn more and be more immune

i remember a psychologist saying on radio that we should try to get off the daily media cycle and catch up once a week. I do try to limit being emotively reactive by moving to radio rather than print or images

i remember a psychologist saying on radio that we should try to get off the daily media cycle and catch up once a week. I do try to limit being emotively reactive by moving to radio rather than print or images

I must have seen something similar as that is what I do now. No television news unless I am following something, no newspapers and nothing online until Saturday, when I have a couple of hours catch up over tea and toast. I feel like someone out of Agatha Christie... ageing and a tad out of touch until I get a bee in my bonnet!

I know it’s difficult as you just get ‘far right’ yelled at you ; or I do

or shouted down

As I’ve said a few times I’m a central floating voter - if anything Blair felt most at home for me (until the illegal war) but I’ve become more disconnected from the media game recently

Mind you that does have the advantage of me not seeing the immediately wmotive stuff. I get to see the bigger stories when there is often a bit more depth and context to them. Keeps the blood pressure down!