To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

I actually have seen zero positives in my life brought about by any government. All I've seen is costs go up, NHS get cut, police numbers cut, unemployment fluctuate etc

You’re clearly too young to remember Blair’s government. Domestically it was the best of my lifetime.

If you vote Conservative, you are a Conservative voter! I vote LibDem, I'm LibDem voter! Thinking you might vote for someone else one day doesn't negate that.

And nobody is surprised by that Conservatives don't want Starmer to resign. CCHQ sent out instructions not to ask for his resignation because it shines an unflattering light on Johnson.

You are aware of the term floating voter?

It’s not what I might do it’s how I’ve voted. I decide at each election based on policies and have no loyalty beforehand. I’ve voted for both in the past.

other people are hugely loyal to their party and would never vote for the other side.

fine up to them

central and floating voters do sway elections though - hence Blair landslide and Johnson

I remember strikes and unemployment and giz a job.
There was wee grey man with glasses, very dull.
Blair was all about the war..
Then there was a man that enjoyed eggs a lot, and calling an old lady a 'bigot'
A coalition between an accountant looking chap and a man in shiny suits.
And then an awkward dancer.
Then a Boris.

There's gaps in-between and details hazy.

they all got into politics first and foremost for themselves, for the career opportunities, for the opportunities that it would give their family

Firstly, Jess Phillips' book is very clear on the huge financial risks and sacrifices she took to become an MP - and the strains on family life,

That aside, secondly, isn't this why most people go into most jobs??

Yes I'm aware of what floating voter means. It doesn't render you somehow impartial.

Btw I don’t care about Johnson if Starmer resigns

I will be annoyed as Starmer is my preference for Labour and initially I thought he’d do well and he could still get the party back to a place where I vote for it (plus all this imo has been ridiculous)

Then there was a man that enjoyed eggs a lot,

You what now?

Eggs? Do you mean Edwina Currie (if so that's a bit mean)

John Prescott I believe his name was.

I wouldn’t say anyone comes at something with judge level impartiality (and didn’t claim I did) but I don’t always vote for one party no matter what

and I do think people would never switch, due to loyalty

calling an old lady a 'bigot

This was Gorgon brown, not John Prescott.

All you are saying here is you don't know much about politics, each of those governments made significant changes which impacted your life and you are ignorant about that.

It is this willingness of voters to ignore politics that makes them vulnerable.

Then some voters say 'they are all the same' because that is easier than using their brains.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

All I'm saying there is little bits I remembered as highlights.

I know reading and comprehension is a difficult thing for some people, but I'll reiterate my original point in a simpler language.

All MPs are the same, they all put themselves before voters.

You're a bit of an outlier, Marsha. I've been out canvassing (since November) and I can assure you that people were really cross about all the Partygate stuff in the run-up to the elections.

You may have been bored with it/thought it was ridiculous, certain sections of the press may have been exhorting their readers to find it boring/ridiculous but people (actual people) were so furious with Johnson.

In fact, the feedback on the doorstep makes me wonder what the Conservatives are playing at in keeping Johnson. People are beyond fed up with him. Partygate is part of a whole constellation of crapness they perceive as being embodied by Johnson.

People weren't necessarily voting Labour, rather than Conservative - but they were registering an anti-Johnson vote in droves.

People really don't find it ridiculous.

They want him gone.

They don’t. Your “highlights” amply demonstrate that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Now sit down, the grown ups are talking.

I think your comments just prove that the issue you are claiming is politicians is actually you - you do not know enough about politics to substantiate your own assertions - you can not even name the differences between those politicians or their policies.

You can say it as many times as you like, but politicians are not all the same, and not all of them put themselves before voters. Any that do put themselves before voters, are really only able to because not enough voters take enough care to read the small print.

Politics is about voters. Voters are the key to the whole system working.

Oh, and turn-out was high, too.

Weirdly, Johnson is quite galvanising, it turns out!

Rather than producing the kind of 'they're all the same' nihilism seen in this thread, Johnson seems to have actually had the effect of perking people up - really giving them a reason to get out, vote, and show they know Johnson is bloody different from most politicians & they don't like that difference.

Now sit down, the grown ups are talking. Are you Lady Nugee? I've heard her say the exact same thing.

Yes! Our local voting was up 5%.

Tory stronghold area. Seats all held as history dictated.

However 9% drop for Tory and 10% gain for Labour.

So not enough change to change seats but enough to show the local historically predictable voting - wasn't this year!

oh I’m not surprised at this

most of the damage has been due to partygate

it has been hugely effective - emotive , single focus , repetitive

I was angry back when Cummings did it - I remember the weekend well, maybe I used up my annoyance then

Nope because they have offers to resign if given a fine. Boris doesn't gve a flying fuck.

When do we get to see the full Sue Gray report?

Yes and also Johnson makes people realise how much they value British systems and traditions.

The Tories are literally dismantling things that make Britain work, they are cheating and corrupting things in a really sinister way. For example having to produce ID to vote. That is simply not Britsh and it is not cricket. It will cost millions simply to disenfranchise groups of voters, all based on a lie because there is almost zero voting fraud anyway.