To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

He - and those around them - tarnish everything.

They value nothing.

I would be honoured to be Prime Minister. I consider it a role beyond my capabilities and aspirations.

And look at Johnson.

He's pissing all over it.

It's just one big joke to him.

He thinks people like me - people who think being a Prime minister is a privilege, an honour, and a responsibility - are complete mugs, idiots, a laughable joke.

It all makes me desperately sad and angry.

I said earlier, It's all a huge distraction technique.

The topics and threads and arguments shouldn't be about beers and curry and lies.
It should be about energy prices.
Ni rises.

Hosting stocks.
Nurses
Police officers.
GP wait times.
Billions wasted on PPE
Ukraine aid

Etc.

But all headlines seem to be beer and takeout.

At least own your ignorance.

Better to be just ignorant than a liar too.

If you read the post, you might see how I said it was hazy and bits missing.
You'd also see that it looks like I mistook Prescott for brown.

But which ever makes your pee yellow.

Apart from the pp suggestion it was a stupid question I’m glad I asked it

this is a heartfelt answer that I understand

I think I’ll be so frustrated (and upset even) if all this ends in Starmer going. What an absolute waste

So, yes, I guess I think, on balance, Starmer is right to say he'd resign.

Because I guess what he's saying is this: 'Being a politician, even if it's just Leader of the Opposition, not Prime Minister, is a privilege. And people like you give me that privilege. And you have the right to demand I treat that privilege - and your trust - with respect. You have the right to expect I will treat these institutions with the care you think they deserve.'

And I'm glad he is showing - with actions - that he thinks that way. Because it's the way i think.

I really do think it's an honour to be a politician, to represent people, to hold a position of responsibility in politics.

I think politics matters - I know it affects my life.

And I think I deserve politicians who share that respect for the responsibilities of their office.

I totally agree.

The only thing that gives me hope is that politics is quite cyclical rather than linear and there were so many vox pops last week about how people could not vote Tory after xx years of voting for them because of what Johnson is doing to the country and the lying etc etc.

Pfft.

Sorry.

I went on a bit.

Johnson genuinely upsets me.

"I really do think it's an honour to be a politician, to represent people, to hold a position of responsibility in politics.

I think politics matters - I know it affects my life.

And I think I deserve politicians who share that respect for the responsibilities of their office."

Yes. Thank you 👏 I wholeheartedly agree. It is not to much to ask.

Hmm, so Labour loose Keir Starmer, his deputy, forgotten her name, Boris goes by default

Hmmm, major chaos in both parties while a new leader is sought

At least give the media a different headline for a few days 👍👍

I really do think it's an honour to be a politician, to represent people, to hold a position of responsibility in politics.

I think that way and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of politicians who feel that way too. That some people think that people only go into politics for the ability to pass lucrative government contacts onto chums, or to use that power to wangle ridiculously expensive wallpaper from donors betrays their values, and a lack of understanding that other people have different ones.

Some choose public service for the public service. Starmer, it would seem, is one of those, which is why it hadn't even crossed my mind that he wouldn't resign in the event of a police fine. He holds the office in higher esteem than his own self-interest, and we need people like him to show the public that it doesn't have to be like Johnson and Pals. There are other options. Other values.

Not a waste at all to set the right example. Something Boris Johnson should consider, rather than seeing himself as more important than the example he sets.

I agree...lying PMs and their antics. Blair and his WMD lie. Big fat one that was.

What a load of biased bollocks.

I’m not asking others to feel the same way.

But it is how I will feel.

Most will probably want it, including his own party. I’ll find it sad. He will have managed to paint himself into that corner, but a shame.

This is so well put, NobleGiraffe.

@MarshaBradyo - Boris Johnson is the one who painted Keir Starmer into that corner, as it is Boris Johnson who has discredited all of our national institutions, obliging somebody to set an example of honourable behaviour where he won’t do it himself. And the end result of that will be Boris Johnson ultimately being backed into a corner, because he has run out of other people to take the falls for him that are necessary to prevent a total collapse of public faith in anyone in public life.

Well, if Saint Starmer does fall on his sword, there will be a new career walking on water. The romanticised notions about Starmer coming from those who tell others to engage brains..dearie me. Noble, integrity, honest...please. it's very rare for a politicians to encompass those qualities. At the very least, they all compromise their morals at some point, for political advancement - whether individually or collectively.Thanks for responses.

I’m under no illusions about Keir Starmer, as I am sure he is politically ambitious and capable of being ruthless, but on a sliding scale, from the morality of an alley cat at one end, to Jesus at the other, I have no problem establishing which out of Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer is more within scratching distance of the alley cat.

You can't have it both ways.

You can't both deride Starmer for really, actually putting integrity ahead of personal gain and claim no politician ever does.

That's kind of like a political nihilist version of Schrödinger's cat: the cat is both risible and it doesn't exist.

Anyway, I don't think you are a nihilist. You continually claim you despise all politicians, say you despise all politics - but strangely mainly attack Labour politicians or occasionally say 'yes, Johnson's dire - but they're all the same'

It's almost as if your real project is to try and normalise them heinous trash & bonfire that has been Johnson's government.

At the very least, they all compromise their morals at some point, for political advancement - whether individually or collectively.

No doubt. But over the course of a lifetime, Starmer seems to have actually contributed to society, where Johnson appears merely to have taken.

I don't know who did what - but I feel the whole lockdown process is and should be over. I don't think we should have had a lockdown and that the long term damage done on young people is huge. As a result I am irritated that no 10 and others choose to lock the public down whilst not obeying the laws themselves if that is what they did. I feel that young people have been sacrificed and I hope that the politicians who have impacted their lives are voted out asap.

Has the OP not met anyone with integrity in her life? Can she not recognise it? Give me 5 things that Keir has done wrong. Then 5 things that Angela Raynor (who I can’t stand) has done wrong. Then do the same for Dominic Raab, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Matt Hancock, Micheal Gove, Priti Patel, Nadine Dorris and of course Boris Johnson have done wrong. Which is easier? The current cabinet are a total and utterly abomination (with the possible exception of Ben Wallace who isn’t great but isn’t openly diabolical which makes him stand head and shoulders above the others). What wouldn’t we give for cabinet members that a) didn’t lie every time they opened their mouths and b) knew what their job entailed and how to do it?

And believe me I have voted Tory many, many times in the past to keep the SNP out here in Scotland. I hope I NEVER have to do so again! What a disgrace.

Cards on the table, I’ve never voted Tory nor seriously considered doing so. I did, however, used to find the pejorative ‘Tory scum’ to be childish and unhelpful.

Now it’s probably the kindest thing I could say about the party.

I can understand this. We’ve had friends whose dc were impacted badly and still are, it’s incredibly sad. This gets to me more.