To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

Where did I say Labour MPs never lied? Are we already at the strawman stage of the argument?

Excuses will come from Labour supporters why this police investigation should be viewed differently, it’s not based on anything
(i) I am not a Labour supporter (ii) it is based on the inconsistent application of Durham force's stated policy of not taking action retrospectively.

Starmer is hypocritical for asking others to resign due to an investigation
(i) Starmer is not the PM, chancellor or a member of govt (ii) Starmer has not lied to parliament (iii) Starmer has clearly not breached any rules

So whilst he should stay he’s not without the ability to do politics and say whatever at the time and not mean it
Sounds like a sanitised version of "politicians are all the same, move on"

You can rephrase the last part if it makes you feel good, in this instance he asked others to resign at this stage and hasn’t.

An MP supporter then claimed he holds himself to his own high standards but that is not the case.

so yes he has been hypocritical.

Not a Labour supporter (am a member of another party) but this does look entirely cooked up by the press.

Starmer’s position, that he is entirely confident no rules were broken but, if fined, he will resign, seems very reasonable and shows a degree of honour and accountability that you can’t generally find in the modern Conservative party.

“they’re all the same” is about the most trite thing you can say about politics.

Trite, it may be, but I am yet to be proven wrong.

I believe that just recently MPs had a £2.2k a year raise whilst saying there's no money for increasing welfare more than 3%
Taking an unemployed persons welfare up to around £350 a month..

to pay:
gas
Electric
Council tax
Insurance
Fuel
Food
TV license
Travel
Clothes
Shoes
Hair cuts

Whatever happens, this story seems to have had a zero effect on Starmer’s polling, in fact it’s improved in a few areas:

”Fieldwork done yesterday, changes in approval ratings from last week:

Starmer: -2 (no change)
Sunak: -15 (+3)
Johnson: -22 (+2)

On best PM Starmer makes a big improvement against Johnson:

Starmer vs Johnson
Starmer: 39% (+4)
Johnson: 32% (-1)”

So you take Durham police force investigating now as enough to conclude they’ve been leant on by the government.. and someone has got something in return.. what money?

bold claims from someone who is not a Labour supporter

Starmer publicly said that payrise shouldn’t go ahead at the time. It’s decided independently by a parliamentary watchdog.

Agree totally with this.

I also think Starmer didn't knowingly break any laws.

His history as a lawyer and some cases he's defended show me that he's an honourable person who believe in the law and the need to follow it.

He did indeed.

He probably doesn't need it as he got over £100k from secondary advisory work on top of his MP wages whilst saying MPs should have second incomes.

Hypocrite.

So you take Durham police force investigating now as enough to conclude they’ve been leant on by the government.

Despite the papers being full of leaked information apparently from members of the Labour party and described as significant new information by Durham police force.

100k over a six year period (not exactly crazy money for a top lawyer) and finished before he called for the ban. Pretty lame as hypocrisy gotchas go, but if that’s your red line I’m not going to take it away from you.

Marsha, Johnson misled Parliament - that was why people called in him to resign.

Not simply because he was subject to an investigation.

Goodness Marsha I am not suggesting anyone has paid off the Durham police! Will be watching with interest to see who might be in line for a gong tho...
They have applied their own stated policy inconsistently, that is why people (even non-labour people like me) think something is off here. And the "significant new info" - the memo - is anything but. Hardly "bold" to point out these very obvious facts.

You did make me question whether I had misheard it so googled

25 January – After the Metropolitan Police announced an investigation into the Downing Street parties, Starmer claimed that it was grounds for the Prime Minister's removal for office. He suggested that the mere announcement of the Met probe alone – even though it had not yet found any wrongdoing – was enough for members of the Cabinet to demand Johnson's departure:

‘We need to see the report in full and frankly, some of his Cabinet now need to look themselves in the mirror and ask themselves why they’re still supporting this Prime Minister. There’s a Metropolitan Police investigation into the goings on in Downing Street. It’s time that some of those Cabinet members spoke out and said we’re not tolerating this any longer.’

The same day, Angela Rayner tweets 'Boris Johnson's Downing Street is under police investigation, how on earth can he think he can stay on as Prime Minister?'

31 January – Sir Keir Starmer argues that being under investigation alone is grounds for Boris Johnson's resignation. He tweets: 'Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.'

—the idea that a police investigation should prompt resignation is from him and also Rayner

All these posters saying, 'They're all the same ...'

Why?

Why disenfranchise yourself like that?

Why try and mobilise other people to disenfranchise themselves?

Do you really think politics doesn't affect you?

Do you really think it makes no difference which Party is in power and what sort of legislation they pass?

You must be incredibly, incredibly, incredibly rich for politics not to matter at all. To be wholly unaffected by legislation passed by national governments.

You must be one of the global elite, able to change nationality on a whim, move money about like water pouring from one glass to another, to remain blithely indifferent to the issues and concerns of the 'little people', who look at policies on education, health and tax.

Oh, the absolute luxury of a life where you can say, in a supine drawl: 'Oh politics. They're all the same. So tedious. So boring. Let's be interesting: where shall we fly to for lunch?'

Or perhaps ... these people are only pretending.

And actually they know politics matters and voting makes a massive difference to how people get to live their one, short life.

They know political Parties pass very different legislation, that affects people in very real ways: in the quality of education and healthcare they receive; in how taxes are raised and spent; in life chances and life-expectancy.

Maybe what they're hoping is that they'll convince a few people not to look at those differences - because 'they're all the same'.

So lazy.

So mendacious.

To be fair it did sound as you thought that Durham police got something in return - so yes I thought that part quite bold

Any investigation either into partygate or Starmer’s one (beergate just has become something laughable to sticking) will be retrospective, so in that case they are equal

And the "significant new info" - the memo

Memo? I'm referring to allegations of drunken behaviour from junior members of the party who were not working, invitations to a pre-planned dinner event, the female MP who was abusive in the House of Commons apparently turning up just to socialise and eat.....all requiring thorough investigation.

Johnson misled Parliament. He claimed there were no gatherings. The report demonstrated there were gatherings and that Johnson had misled Parliament.

So Downing Street have 18 parties investigated, 6 that the Prime Minister attended and 1 that was in his flat. 50 FPNs. Johnson broke his own legislation, mislead Parliament and failed to correct the record.

Johnson moved to protect Owen Paterson after he broke lobbying rules, received redecoration donations of £60k, a holiday in Mystique, £27k of free food, proroguingParliament, fast track PPE contracts, protective rings around care homes, Russian cash, Jennifer Acuri....I've probably missed a few.

But yeah they are all the same.

Members of the public will cast their votes based on the manifestos put before them at the next GE. Nothing said on a public forum will sway them one way or another that's for certain.

Do you see that calls were made to resign from Starmer and Rayner based on a police investigation occurring?

In that text I pasted you can see the timing it was before fines

That is the hypocritical part imo. I’m not going beyond that. At that point Labour thought a police investigation should result in resignation.

I actually have seen zero positives in my life brought about by any government.
All I've seen is costs go up, NHS get cut, police numbers cut, unemployment fluctuate etc.

Disabled people killing themselves because of assessments was new, hardly a positive though.

Tax increases took money from my pocket, it was never reached by any thing the government did.

I'm hard pressed to think of a single positive thing the Tories have done for people as whole in 10+ years tbh.

Surely it’s only hypocrisy if you think all MPs should be held to the same standard as the Prime Minister?