To think Labour are hypocrites

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Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

as for this barrister, all I have read is conjecture and his own conclusion as to the differences between the proven and alleged contravention of lockdown laws. There is no legal reasoning I can see

If you are referring to Adam Wagner, I suggest you look at his twitter account where he has exhaustively analysed the various rules in force at different times. His views are very much based on legal reasoning! And by the way, he has previously opined that other Tory "gatherings" - eg Johnson's cheese and wine fest in the garden (which the police did not in the end investigate), Jacob Rees Mogg travelling in restrictions, Tobias Elwood, Cummings - were not breaches.

His legal analysis is rigorous, persuasive, unbiased and well informed. Yours on the other hand....

MPs are all the same.
Politicians are all the same.

No one gets into politics without thinking of personal gains.

It's one huge gravy train and it's all paid for by idiots like us that argue over shit like partygate and beer gate whilst the sick are screwed, the elderly and left to rot and the poorest in society starve.

It's ridiculous how much and how easily get distracted. £2900 fuel bills coming.. NI up.. millions in poverty.. millions reliant on food banks...

But the headlines are about an MP having a takeout. FFS. We deserve Boris.

Barristers. All opinions and assertion. Unless they agree with my opinions of course.

Like journalists. muck rakers. confrontationalists. except the ones that speak common sense.

Don't get me started on politicians. Waste of space, the lot of them. Except ...

If Keir Starmer isn’t fined, then it is obviously different and Keir Starmer not hypocritical, as it will show no rules were broken by him, but that rules were broken multiple times by Johnson. If he is fined, then he is hypocritical and should step down - which should also force Johnson to step down, as that proves it’s a resigning matter.

I found Starmer going on about partygate and Boris resigning pretty tiresome, but I think you have to be hard of thinking to believe Boris Johnson’s behaviour and Keir Starmer’s are equivalent. Starmer certainly never claimed to be surprised by his meal and beer, whereas Johnson was endlessly surprised by cakes, karaoke and suitcases of alcohol.

"MPs are all the same.
Politicians are all the same."

Only people who don't pay attention to politics think this. No, not all MPs are like boris johnson.

I pay attention. Close attention.

There isn't a single Tory MP that hasn't put themselves before the voters.
You will say that's not true.

I will say,
If they cared about the voters, why have they done nothing to oust BoJo?
Why have they defended him or stayed silent?
Why have they continued working in a job led by BoJo?

They are complicit. They are defenders. They are supporters. Every single one.

"There isn't a single Tory MP that hasn't put themselves before the voters.
You will say that's not true."

You've rather moved the goalposts there by narrowing it down to tory mps. (Not that I disagree in the main.)

I'll include Labour too, but they're not in power right now.

I wouldn't believe any of them would put the population before their careers, not one of them.
Not even Kier or Raynor. In fact, how often have labour MPs said negative things about women, 52% of the population?
Why?
To try and mitigate wrath of ideologues that went often JKR and others.

If they can't tell the truth about biology, they can't tell the truth about anything, that makes them untrust worthy and without morals and it shows they'll put their careers before 52% of the population every time.

Starmer has already gone past the point where he said others should resign - on police investigation

He’s made the most of partygate but that part was just soundbite

I don’t think he should resign - although I’d welcome Rayner following through with the idea

@MaryAndHerNet to take a slightly different tone, I've heard indirectly that Alan Johnson was held in high regard and achieved relatively high office without grim self-interest. Similar feedback about Estelle Morris. Grasping at straws to add to the list though I've no direct insight for quite a few years.

"If they can't tell the truth about biology, they can't tell the truth about anything, that makes them untrust worthy and without morals and it shows they'll put their careers before 52% of the population every time."

Well, the fact that labour and tory ideology on the matter is diametrically opposed shows not all mps are the same. 🙂

"Well, the fact that labour and tory ideology on the matter is diametrically opposed shows not all mps are the same. 🙂"

The lies may be different, but the lack of morals remains identical.

"The lies may be different, but the lack of morals remains identical."

Fine. They're all the same, nothing ever gets better, there's no point in optimism.... and the tories win again.

You sound very naive

I’m pretty sure you said ‘Labour are hypocrites’ Yup. Yesssss, pretty nebulous and idiotic.
BTW, I’m Labour and I’m not a hypocrite.

What legal analysis? He assesses the potential differences between both parties' indiscretions. Most of his analysis is based on intervening in party politics vis a vis respective work schedules. Some take it with a pinch of salt. You on the other hand ...

Of course you're Labour. Your sneering personal attacks are aligned with your party's record on not being able to debate, rationally.

The irony..,

No, not all MPs are like boris johnson

Quite - and KS' response today is ample proof of that, were proof required for the hard of thinking.

The govt leaned on Durham police to let Cummings off, and are now leaning on them to re-investigate Starmer, who quite plainly has not breached any rules in force at the relevant time. I wonder who has been promised what in return...

“But if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice I would, of course, do the right thing and step down.”

Amen. 500 of their colleagues out on their arses and still they back him. Not an atom of integrity to be found in the tory party right now.

Nah, naïveté is confusing cynicism with knowingness.

“they’re all the same” is about the most trite thing you can say about politics.

Excuses will come from Labour supporters why this police investigation should be viewed differently, it’s not based on anything

Starmer is hypocritical for asking others to resign due to an investigation

So whilst he should stay he’s not without the ability to do politics and say whatever at the time and not mean it

Of course, because Labour MPs never lie to their constituents do they? They are all cut from the same cloth. I'm sure you will find another attempt at posing with language for that metaphor.

Some great debate on here. The splitting of hairs, though, has been amusing.