To think Labour are hypocrites

[Labscollie]

Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

Article on another thread has a barrister saying it's actually proof that the rules were followed. It shows that it was a planned part of the working schedule and therefore was within the rules at the time.

A barrister has really put their name to that?!

No politician has integrity.

No politician has integrity

Is it surgically removed when they’re elected? I can think of a few with integrity but they’re mostly at the older end.

A leaked WhatsApp conversation between Tory MPs suggests they’re worried Starmer will actually resign and make them look even worse, which is why none of them are publicly calling for it. Doesn’t help that Johnson is likely to be fined further.

Definitely

For goodness sake, Johnson lied time and again to Parliament. He held a loud raucous party (karaoke and all) plus other gatherings heavily focussed on drink which required a suitcase taken to the Co-Op for regular supplies. Stop buying the Daily Mail and get real.

I think those PPs who say the government never take responsibility have inadvertently got it spot on. This government never take anything, rather they are outstanding in their generosity, they give tax cuts in a couple of years when things are more predictable and people will value it, the give shopping advice for those who've begun to feel the pinch and are frittering money away, they give examples of how to act and how not to act. Generosity exemplars. And no, Keir was not acting like all the teachers and nurses that Michael Fabricant? said were busy having a drink and a party during lockdown. He was worse because he holds himself to a higher standard than the rest of the people. Boris is a man of the people, he doesn't hold himself to a higher standard.

Was Angela Rayner herself the source of the leaked rumours about Fanjo-gate?

Yes, and I'd bet my cornflake collection on him having a better understanding of the law than you do

I don't buy the Daily Mail. I'm not the one who needs to get real, by brushing off the hypocrisy of a party, who pushed for the PM to resign, when their own house wasn't in order.

No. That was yet another lying Tory smear.

The lengths some will go to, to protect their own bias.

Labscollie if YOU can't tell the difference between actual law breaking and spurious allegations that the police have no alternative but to investigate.. then you are just daft.

Johnson is a serial lier. Always has been and always will be. He was sacked from numerous jobs before this one for lying . He was investigated AND found guilty. A rather important difference to Starmer who has been found guilty of nothing.

I can contact the police and accuse YOU of pretty much anything. If I get enough of my mates to contact them and accuse you of the same thing . (As has been done in Durham) they are obliged to investigate.

So if I do that and accuse you of being .. let's say - a fraudster. Does that mean you are guilty of fraud ? No it doesn't. Once the case is investigated and evidence is found to support the allegations, then depending upon the nature of the offence you will either go to trial or be given a penalty notice.

Until then you are innocent.

I also don't understand all those Tories calling for Starmer to resign . Why should he resign when guilty of nothing - when the PM who HAS been found guilty refused to go. Surely that's the hypocrisy... and then , when the Sue Gray report is finally released and you find out exactly what he has been up to - what are you going to use as an excuse then ?

Didn’t the police dismiss investigation earlier but re-opened it

It must not have met the criteria but now does in their view

yeah, the public aren't really that impressed Labour's "holier than thou" hypocrisy over this and Rayner "honey" 🤢 trapping feckless tories bragging about flashing her "ginger growler" (her words).

Insterestingly a new poll suggests that if Starmer is fined the majority of Lab voters think he should resign while the majority of Con voters think he shouldn't.

Starmer isn’t seen as a huge threat the the Tories so yes keeping him as leader is better the devil you know

also many Tories are not ready for Johnsom to be replaced if Starmer resigns how does that reflect on Johnson still being PM

You need to learn to spell your leader's name correctly.

The lengths some will go to, to protect their own bias

I've confused myself, are you saying that we shouldn't believe trained barristers when they talk about their understanding of the law

Or that betting your cornflake collection is a step too far

Or neither of them

Honestly don’t see how they’re of the same calibre at all. One was a beer and takeaway after work whilst on the road together, could technically say they were still working while eating. The government had organised birthday parties and various other get togethers including a Christmas party. Plus the government actually formulated the rules only to break them numerous times.

Starmer has been found guilty of nothing....yet. as for this barrister, all I have read is conjecture and his own conclusion as to the differences between the proven and alleged contravention of lockdown laws. There is no legal reasoning I can see. Just a puff of air around how he has interrupted work related gatherings. So johnson is a liar, aren't they all.

I think this is a load of hot air. What the Tories did was far worse. It wasn't a curry while working (or not working because it was delivered late supposedly). If they were going down the local Londis with a suitcase to fill with booze and was sending a group email to 100+ people to bring their own booze or having interior decorators over to celebrate getting rid of an aide, then fair enough. It was a curry during a work meeting.

Just another diversion tactic so the Tories can do the square root of fuck all about sorting out the cost of living crisis and the utter shit show if the local elections.

At least Starmer is considering resigning. Boris isn't, and I expect there are far more incidences of rule breaking to come.

I find it hard to understand how a work curry vs a culture of boozing and partying on multiple occasions (plus an aide going for a drive to 'test his eyesight' when he had tested positive the week before) compares.

Journalists reporting that Starmer will announce later today he'll resign if fined. Would make the tories look even worse but it's a hit they'll probably be happy to take and will pray people forget about it all before the next election.

It just goes to show how poorly Keir has misjudged the PM. He's a man of principle and won't let the nation down by running away if some bureaucrat issues a fine. Keir won''t get more respect from Conservative MPs by fetishising his principles. Boris has shown he's above things like principles.