Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To think Labour are hypocrites

540 replies

Labscollie · 08/05/2022 08:24

Beergate. Turns out the event was planned. To think of all the slating Starmer gave Johnson. 🤔 This site's favourite newspaper, the Dailymail, has released a leaked memo, which might mark Starmer's downfall. If Johnson could survive, can Starmer?

OP posts:
MarshaBradyo · 08/05/2022 17:32

twelly · 08/05/2022 17:12

I think the circumstances are different - the rules I think were different in different parts of the country at that time. There is also a difference between the frequent alleged parties at Downing Street compared to a one off. We don't know the circumstances of the Durham activities - TBH I was fed but with the whole party gate around Downing Street and felt that it was time to move on. I do have an uneasy feeling that Durham constabulary have been pushed into investigating this and I am not convinced this is the way the police should operate

I suppose this will come up.

they had to investigate before but pushed into it now

Believeitornot · 08/05/2022 17:34

I don’t think what Labour did in April 2021 was anything like what the Tories did in 2020 quite frankly.

the Tories are so ridiculous that they never take full responsibility and state that their Prime Minister’s judgement was just awful. I remember that video of Allegra Stratton basically pissing herself laughing about the parties. when schools and pretty much everything was closed!

Believeitornot · 08/05/2022 17:36

And I won’t fucking forget Dominic Cummings and his bullshit about driving to test his eye test. Taking us for fucking fools.

the Tories are in another league of brass neck.

Zilla1 · 08/05/2022 17:40

Isn't a government with brass necks, with gumption, better than one that flip flops according to the polls. One that makes decisions rather than captain hindsights who just criticise decissions? Decisive. Leadership. Gumption. All words in a dictionary.

twelly · 08/05/2022 17:46

Yes I agree crimes should be investigated without fear or favour. I do think we are now talking about crimes that were crimes due to a temporary law which doesn't quite have the same significance. I would like to think we never have another lockdown or bans on meeting - I think the police time and effort in investigating crimes not just by politicians but by members of the public as well would be better spent on investigating other crimes where there is a long term impact

Believeitornot · 08/05/2022 20:04

Zilla1 · 08/05/2022 17:40

Isn't a government with brass necks, with gumption, better than one that flip flops according to the polls. One that makes decisions rather than captain hindsights who just criticise decissions? Decisive. Leadership. Gumption. All words in a dictionary.

A🤣🤣🤣🤣

As if it’s a binary choice 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

Fairisleflora · 08/05/2022 20:34

Without having any particular affiliation to either party, Keir is clearly a man of integrity, Boris lies as much as he breathes. There is a massive, massive chasm between what they did. Only the Daily Mail and their idiotic readers think otherwise. The DM should stop going on about it - if just shows how thick they think their readers are.

Fairisleflora · 08/05/2022 20:42

Staggered at some of the comments here. Just staggered. I’d bet my house Keir isn’t fined as he didn’t break any rules. What rule did he break? He ate and had a beer midway through a working evening with colleagues. Boris had parties in his house involving suitcases of champagne and karaoke machines. Dear god there is no equivalence whatsoever.

itsgettingweird · 08/05/2022 21:29

Believeitornot · 08/05/2022 17:36

And I won’t fucking forget Dominic Cummings and his bullshit about driving to test his eye test. Taking us for fucking fools.

the Tories are in another league of brass neck.

Yeah - and now we know why Johnson helped him make a cover story.

Blossomtoes · 08/05/2022 21:37

itsgettingweird · 08/05/2022 21:29

Yeah - and now we know why Johnson helped him make a cover story.

Show quote history

Too right. That press conference in the garden was just five days after the “work” event that was attended by the PM and his missis.

Luculentus · 08/05/2022 23:01

ColMustardInTheLibrary · 08/05/2022 10:04

Keir Starmer is a rank hypocrite and a proven liar who wasted days of parliamentary time knowing he was equally guilty and whose party deliberately lied about Angela Rayner’s presence. I really wish the Labour candidate who spent his whole visit to my doorstep banging on about Boris’s criminal behaviour, while failing to explain any Labour policies, would re-visit so I could tell him what I think of his party’s own lies. Damned hypocrites.

Equally guilty? Do tell us about the 15 parties Starmer was involved with, to say nothing of the birthday gathering attended by his wife and interior decorator. And when he has lied to Parliament about it.

HRTQueen · 08/05/2022 23:15

The issues isn’t that Starmer may have fudged the rules (which I can’t see as an issue) it’s that he wanted Johnson to resign (rightly so) over party gate

he just looks like he can’t quite take the moral high ground over this and Labour need to be able to do that. Also Rayner now suddenly remembering she was think looks deceitful

I’m wondering who leaked the memo.

mmmmmmghturep · 09/05/2022 00:02

One great example of failure of rights/responsibility is the NHS. We certainly wouldn't have an NHS crisis if people didn't abuse alcohol, cigarettes and shovel cake down their throats. The "right" to healthcare certainly isn't being matched by individual responsibility. I think society as a whole needs to have a serious think about how things are run

What was used most during the lockdowns? Deliveroo or the gym.

Anyone remember the blokes playing football in Hyde Park being told to go home.
The two young women fined for WALKING around while drinking coffee.

i could go on. The Government and NHS management like Chris Hopson wanted lockdown on repeat. You cant whine now the reckoning has to be paid.

mmmmmmghturep · 09/05/2022 00:04

@HesterShaw1 I completely agree with you. Am a lifetime Labour voter but will never vote for them again due to them calling for longer harsher lockdowns. Never voted Tory Never will Now politically homeless.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/05/2022 06:20

Am a lifetime Labour voter but will never vote for them again due to them calling for longer harsher lockdowns.

Youre clearly not a lifetime Labour voter then unless you are messaging from the great beyond Hmm

Florenz · 09/05/2022 06:34

I think Labour need to listen to what people are saying instead of telling them they're wrong.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/05/2022 06:36

Florenz · 09/05/2022 06:34

I think Labour need to listen to what people are saying instead of telling them they're wrong.

Nebulous statement

PurassicJark · 09/05/2022 06:50

Oh no a hypocritical politician, a rarity, whatever next... 😂

Luculentus · 09/05/2022 06:52

HRTQueen · 08/05/2022 23:15

The issues isn’t that Starmer may have fudged the rules (which I can’t see as an issue) it’s that he wanted Johnson to resign (rightly so) over party gate

he just looks like he can’t quite take the moral high ground over this and Labour need to be able to do that. Also Rayner now suddenly remembering she was think looks deceitful

I’m wondering who leaked the memo.

The difference is that Johnson undoubtedly broke the law (witness his acceptance of the fine) whilst it looks as if Starmer didn't. No fudging involved.

MarshaBradyo · 09/05/2022 06:56

Starmer is being investigated - it could result in a fine or not

He won’t go over an investigation - even though he asked it if others at the same stage.

unfortunately for him he’s used partygate to advantage for so long if he is fined many will want him to go

Toomanybooks22 · 09/05/2022 07:07

I think the fact that someone within the group actually set out in an itinerary before the event that they would get a takeaway (I think they even refer to the specific restaurant?) is the really difficult part of it as if KS saw that then it was definitely planned but it will be interesting what else comes out from the police investigation.

MarshaBradyo · 09/05/2022 07:27

Funny to hear Labour squirm this morning

Starmer ‘holds himself to standards he expects of others’ - although he doesn’t as his expectation was resign on police investigation

HalfwomanHalfcookie · 09/05/2022 07:33

Is this the same after work beer and takeaway that was in the press a couple of months ago? Despite, I would imagine hunting high and low for more transgressions, this is all that they have managed to come up with. Can it really compare to the many many get togethers that tory mp's have been fined with? For those slating Kier Starmer, can you please answer this honestly!

HRTQueen · 09/05/2022 07:39

Luculentus That is why I said may have ….

and there is a police investigation so it’s not quite so clear yet

im sure the police have better things to do but someone kindly handed over the memo

itsgettingweird · 09/05/2022 07:40

HalfwomanHalfcookie · 09/05/2022 07:33

Is this the same after work beer and takeaway that was in the press a couple of months ago? Despite, I would imagine hunting high and low for more transgressions, this is all that they have managed to come up with. Can it really compare to the many many get togethers that tory mp's have been fined with? For those slating Kier Starmer, can you please answer this honestly!

Yep!

And Durham police who refused investigate Cummings posthumously are now re investigating KS and pals for a second time having found them not guilty.