To think that televising the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp case is harmful to DV victims?

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I know it's America, and it's the done thing.

However, the majority of the public have already decided that's she's lying, and we're not even halfway through the case.

Whatever you believe, there will be some DV victims who are even more afraid to come forward, due to opinions about this trial.
AIBU to think that such a high profile case should have been tried behind closed doors?

Maybe it should have been kept private but most people have agreed shes lying because there is tons of evidence of her lying. Shes even been quoting movies as part of her testimony like people wouldn't notice. Shes insane

I agree, the venom directed at Amber Heard is obscene, and really shows how ingrained misogyny is culturally.

I think its hurtful in the sense that she's been welcomed as a spokesperson for DV without the groups checking. It does nothing for the credibility of the groups and irrespective of the outcome I suspect a lot of damage has been done.

I think what your saying is the trial should not be televised because AH is coming across badly, making a fool of herself and damaging the "believe all women" narrative.

Personally, I think the UK should follow and go even further than USA and make all the trials available to be viewed online, from magistrates dealing with speeding tickets to crown court murder cases.

How can seeing the process of justice be a bad thing?

I think this case is very different because it involves famous people who have the press to use as a futher vehicle of communication.

For over two years Amber released and sold pictures, stories, and recordings to various publications and TMZ etc. Then she wrote an OP ed and there were hundreds more articles written based on that. So we already have 2-3 years of content being put out from one perspective. There are tapes / transcripts of divorce depositions from 2016 and tapes / transcripts of the SUN trial depositions from 2018 that are also publicly available - so we also have that content. Many people had formed strong opinions before this trial even started based on everything already being in the public domain. Now we have a televised trial with two people who act for a living. There are a lot of things I don't think should be entertainment when it comes to people's personal lives but this is how American courts work. The public often gets caught up in televised cases that are either with public figures or those with particularly macabre details.

Justice had to be seen to be done. Of course it should be broadcast. Neither come out of this very well though.

I don’t think it should be televised because if she’s recounting accurately she’s had to relive abuse and sexual violence in front of a huge audience including his weirdo fans who are allowed in, and had that turned into memes and her every expression analysed.
If she isn’t (I believe her fwiw) he’s had a lot of terrible things revealed about himself (substance abuse, misogyny) as well as false accusations. However, he wanted it televised and she didn’t.
its also allowed a lot of people to
monetise it via false information/ misunderstanding and making YouTube videos to cash in.

And this is part of the problem. She DIDN'T use a movie quote in her opening statement! What people posted on social media wasn't even what she said.

Why watch it? I havent .theres no obligation to inflict this farce on anyone

FFS. Not every instance of a woman being criticized is due to misogyny. There are plenty of legitimate, obvious and proven reasons someone might think amber Heard is a shitty person

Overuse of such terms dilutes their meaning and impact.

Honestly I think it's vile misogyny at play. Even if they are as bad as each other, the level of vitriol aimed at AH is truly disgusting when it should be both.

I believe her and she's continuing to be abused by the justice system. Remember JD is the one bringing these cases to court not her. It makes me feel sick that so many people are cheering this on.

Yes, i find this very hard, i feel kike however i phrase it would invalidate their experiences which rich or poor, they also have the right to feel.

I escaped my x with one bag, two small kids and he attacked me as i left. We lived in if not "poverty" a perpetual state of worry about money for years, but SAFE.

I SEE them in court in front of the world and i cant watch. Cant bear it.

Odd. I thought he lost the case in the UK because of all the evidence against him, and the using movie quote was shown to be untrue.
Trial by social media though. Who needs truth

Exactly

The trial is immensely harmful to true victims of DV. The public seeing AH on the stand making up stories is doing a massive disservice to them.

That said, JD is well justified in wanting her to spout her nonsense in the public domain and for everyone to see how ludicrous her stories of physical abuse and sexual abuse are when there is evidence out there that disproves them (photos, recordings, TV appearances).

For someone who claims to be the poster girl for victims of IPV, she's shitting all over them and winding the clock back decades.

Lots of witnesses including the ones describing violence that AH did to them -- are recounting it in this public way.

I have no idea why people think celebrity lives are relatable to people with ordinary lives. This makes no sense to me.

Didnt she steal the story of her sexual attack from her PA?

It's extremely damaging . Taking amber heard out of it, there seems to be a movement ATM that is supporting JD regardless of his actions. The man trashes houses, refers to his women as c*s, even the mother of his children, clearly has serious drug alcohol issues, is verbally and physically abusive and yet he is held up as some kind of hero, women want him and men say well done Johnny women can be poisonous.

It's like a collective brainwashing

All of JDs staff have already been seen as lying on oath. Have you ever seen JD in a state, no . Out of control? No OUT of his head on drugs? No. Cue tape on plane of him groaning and howling like a dog sounding extremely out of it. Paid liars all of them. But everyone focuses on the other liar. There's truth in there, there also lies. He said she said, making a mockery of DA both of them. Chuck it out of court

I agree with part of this. If the accusations are true, it would be horrific for the courts in the US to permit this trial to be streamed around the world and for it to be so public.

But if the accusations are false, not so to her, but more so to genuine victims of DV.

I guess if you start with the position that JD says he knows the accusations to be false and he wants to repair his reputation, televising the trial is ok. If they are true, JD is being allowed to continue his abuse in this way.

So the process is definitely flawed as the jury hasn't yet decided if the accusations are true or not.

But the trial is whether AH defamed JD. All the defence had to do was show that there had been physical violence, so the damage to JD's reputation was justified or find some legal loophole that meant that legally the op-ed wasn't about JD because it didn't mention him by name.

The defence chose to put AH on the stand and to detail every single claim of DV in public. They only had to prove one beyond reasonable doubt.

Do we really think a guy who talks about 'fucking her corpse' isn't capable of sexual violence?

It’s mad. Im so surprised at all the support on SM and amongst my kids for him. Utter loser - bloated and addicted and regardless of AH what has come out about his thoughts on women is disgusting and yet people still want to support him.
did you see the clip of him walking towards A and she recoils? His little smug shrug and smirk was very telling.

I think many people say things they wouldn't actually do when they're angry or annoyed by someone.

This is Mumsnet everything that happens to women is misogyny. So much the word has lost its meaning now.

I did lol. Both of their reactions were strange I thought. And he will not look at her will he?

I haven't watched or particularly followed the case and have no idea who's telling the truth. However, it does disturb me that many victims of domestic violence struggle to leave because they fear no one will believe that their outwardly charming partner is an abuser behind closed doors. And seeing the disbelief and vitriol directed at AH can't be helping with that, regardless of the truth in this case.