To think that televising the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp case is harmful to DV victims?

[Thorilicious]

I know it's America, and it's the done thing.

However, the majority of the public have already decided that's she's lying, and we're not even halfway through the case.

Whatever you believe, there will be some DV victims who are even more afraid to come forward, due to opinions about this trial.
AIBU to think that such a high profile case should have been tried behind closed doors?

Do we really think a guy who talks about 'fucking her corpse' isn't capable of sexual violence?

Burnt out corpse, remember

And I totally agree with you.

In answer to your question OP. It's appalling for everyone to see this shit show televised.

So it's misogyny and you believe her.

Because women never lie or act abusively.

Until the time comes to post on MN about peoples childhoods. Then just look at all the comments about how "my mother was evil or my mother never cared about me .. blah blah. Now I'm NC with her blah blah"

Sorry but both genders are capable of being abusive , fucked up or evil

Just so disturbing.
Vile misogynists him & his mate Paul Bettany.

*I agree. The whole thing is disgraceful, an indictment on the toxicity that embodies Hollywood, the greed, the narcissism, the vanity, the shallowness, the disregard and disrespect for anyone not on their payroll, the extreme selfishness and inability to appreciate how far removed they are from reality.

This trial is a product of everything that is wrong with this world, a shit show of sexism, ageism, greed, excess, ego and dishonesty, the very picture of what the American dream looks like when opened up. All that matters is money and appearances, ethics are long lost*

Totally 💯 @50ShadesOfCatholic

They should have knocked up a deal with Netflix and got Judge Judy adjudicating. It's obscene.

So great entertainment then 😂😂😂

Can you imagine judge judy tolerating this ?!

She'd order them to each never mention the other again. Ever.

Yes, but this blatantly is the case with AH. I cannot look at social media without being bombarded with truly vile comments, and death threats against AH, and women in general. Seriously, check out even one chat on FB, or Twitter, it's revolting

I can't imagine how horrific giving evidence in front of a sniggering abuser, cameras, judge and jury AND a live audience of HIS fans must be. Even without the global hate that she's getting that would be unbelievably traumatising.

It's like an episode of black mirror.

I’ve watched/listened to all the testimonies so far. Interested because I’m taking a basic legal studies class at the moment and we discuss it with our teacher.

both of them were raised in very abusive homes. I find the whole thing so very sad. He has a terrible addiction, something I had not heard before, I never heard of her until their marriage but she likes her substances also.
some questions I have:
why did she go ahead with the marriage when she states he was abusive from the beginning?
she allegedly told her family he was abusive yet they did nothing to remove her from the situation?
she bought him a knife as a gift, who does that when they’re terrified of their spouse?
in the audio tapes she appears to be instigating arguments. If you were being abused would you start arguments? I would imagine I’d avoid them??!

I had sympathy for her when Dr Curry the forensic psychologist diagnosed her. How humiliating to have someone diagnose you as having a disorder in front of millions. Just awful.
I find the comments online terrible and the justice for jd really annoying from people who don’t know and haven’t even properly heard all the evidence.

I’m not a JD fan, don’t like Pirates, actually I can’t think of anything he’s been in that I’ve enjoyed. 🤔

I have not been following the case very closely but I find the coverage alarming. It is everywhere. I see women that I personally know attacking Amber on social media because she isn't acting the way that a DV survivor "should" act. She is looking at him, she isn't stuttering, she doesnt look scared enough. But if she does any of those things, then she is acting. It all makes me uncomfortable.

I don't really like televised trials at all.

That being said, it seems to me OP that you are saying that it's necessary to maintain a perception that people never lie about such things. And the possibility that AH is dishonest has threatened that.

I don't think that's a possible or even really desirable way of thinking about it. We all know, that sometimes people are not honest, even when we'd most like them to be. We need to be able to accept that while there is really women affected by DV, there are also women who will exploit others in any way they can, just like people in general.

I can't believe how horrible the whole thing has been - I've muted every conceivable variation on Twitter and still it's getting through - it's a DV case, not a fan spectator sport - at this stage, I don't care who is guilty, they're as bad as each other

I think the way Amber Heard is being treated by utterly loony fans and social media is insane. I believe her and support the ruling of the Court in Depp v NGN
They forget she won’t see it but their mates who are being bashed by the charming whatever will and fear they won’t be believed

Also he is far from what male victims of domestic abuse need for a poster boy.
I believe he is quite clearly an abuse and evidence corroborated the same.

However here is evidence. As provided to the court in Depp v NGN.
Enough evidence to find that of the 14 accounts of violence described by Ms Heard that 12 were found to be substantiated
That Depp had also made Ms Heard fear for her life.

His kicking her on the plane was substantiated by text messages from his employee to her post the abuse. Read the transcripts from the first trial - it is wrong to say there is no evidence.
She has every right to speak as a victim of domestic and sexual violence if she experienced it. According to his staff - she did.
The court found the evidence compelling.

Well if the vast majority of trials are open to the public (anyone with time to spend can go there, same as with local council meetings), where is the logic of not extending "the public" to a TV audience?

Which movies has she been quoting? I thought that had found to be be false (snopes)

It is ostensibly a defamation case. JD is suing AH for writing an op-ed about being a victim of DV and it being clearly about him (and it has been testified that it was about her marriage to him).

It's a case about whether a vengeful person can damage someone's reputation by making up claims about being abused. Obviously part of that case is whether she made them up.

If she'd just stuck to what life was like being married to someone with significant substance abuse, she'd have been ok. But fabricating being repeatedly beaten and the sexual abuse she's claiming is defamation.

I don't agree with televising court although the UK Supreme Court (which just does appeals) is live streamed in most cases.

In this case more generally all she wrote in the libel case is she was abused and clearly she was - end of story. Even just his recorded swearing at her meets that bar in my view. The fact she might be lying or hit him is not relevant to if she libelled him in the one sentence in the op ed piece.

Part of this case is that the headline to the article online referenced sexual abuse and that AH shared it with that headline. So it's not just about the article itself.

It’s frustrating and upsetting to see how easy it is to lie about someone’s actual testimony in court and have it accepted as fact so readily because it fits the narrative. How ironic that Amber Heard is routinely called a liar and yet those calling her that are lying about what she’s said in court.

I left my abusive ex and my kids and I escaped to a refuge. I didn’t report any of
it to the police as I was terrified no one would believe me and the thought of that was overwhelming. I couldn’t even go through with a finding the facts hearing in family court. The person I am now would have agreed to the hearing at least I think, but at the time I was so too fragile. And I didn’t have what seems to be most the worlds population hating my guts and calling me a liar and laughing at me.

Amber Heard might not be telling the truth, that’s what the court is for. But what if she is telling the truth and she’s being subjected to all of this? A literal baying mob of millions seem to be intent on destroying a woman who has already gone through a huge trauma. It’s like that black mirror episode “hated by the nation”, only nothing will happen to the people being evil shits, they will just move on to the next big craze of who to hate.

The movie quotes thing - she never said the quote from The Talented Mr Ripley that she was accused of copying verbatim. And the other films that have been referenced are very generic sentences eg "he made me feel like the most beautiful woman in the world". Yes, you can find it in a film but you can probably find it in dozens of films, it's a fairly common thing to say about the start of a relationship. The other ones are even more tenuous - "what happened here?" and "drink lots of tea".

The closest quote I think is the Mildred Pierce one where in the film he says "I'd cut off my hand before I reach for you again" and AH said that Depp had said "I'd rather cut off my hand than ever lay it on you again". This is pretty similar, and isn't really a generic thing to say.

But I think if you're going to start searching the entire history of Hollywood, it's not really surprising that you can find a few similar sentences. Plus there is of course the possibility that it was Depp quoting the film in the first place.

This is why I believe there's value in having the court case streamed. Because it gives people the opportunity to watch the actual testimony and form an opinion based on that alone.

I've seen all the stuff on Twitter. Including a photo of Elon Musk with AH looking like he had a bruised cheek. If you Google the other photos in that set, his other cheek is also red and he looks flushed rather than bruised.

I accept that many people are erroneously basing their opinion on falsehoods and doctored photos etc. Or some blind loyalty to Captain Jack or Edward Scissorhands. But having watched all the testimony and seen the evidence presented to date, plus all the documents and transcripts from the UK trial, if I was on the jury, I'd find in favour of JD.