To think that televising the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp case is harmful to DV victims?

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I know it's America, and it's the done thing.

However, the majority of the public have already decided that's she's lying, and we're not even halfway through the case.

Whatever you believe, there will be some DV victims who are even more afraid to come forward, due to opinions about this trial.
AIBU to think that such a high profile case should have been tried behind closed doors?

Maybe for them both this is desired as a trial in the court of public opinion. They both have careers as high profile actors: they sell their services based on their fame. They both want to salvage reputations.

They wouldn't want a private trial in that case, because this is about their public reputations, not truth.

More reasons not to find either of them relatable.

This will do nothing to ‘salvage their reputations’, quite the opposite. I don’t think their careers will ever be the same after this shitshow.

Nope. JD wanted it televised. She didn't want this at all he recorded her pleading with him not to drag it to court because neither of them would come out looking good.

But he seems to be surrounded by yes men who don't want to tell him the truth about shitty he is already looking and it's going to get worse for him.
Who decided it's a good idea to tell the world that you are regularly so drunk and high that you vomit on yourself and regularly black out and behave appallingly but he's quite open about these things because he thinks people will forgive him as he believes they always have. That's the effect of being surrounded by people who don't tell you the truth.

He was willy wonka as well as jack sparrow, finding out how serious his drug problems means he is never going to get any role like that ever again he hasn't thought this through at all.

Only Depp wanted in televised. Heard tried to stop that.

Apparently there is medical evidence to support the sexual assault with a bottle allegation. In the British courts that evidence was closed, that was at Ambers request. She didn't write the headline she just wrote the article.
This time that medical evidence is going to be public I dread to think what the internet is going to do with it, I've already seen tiktoks came in that it was her idea and she wanted it which is pretty standard victim blaming for any allegation of sexual assault.

Watching the way the whole world is hating her has really affected me quite badly, I thought I was imagining that people hated me when I came out about being abused in my last relationship now I know I wasn't.

when AH’s lawyers presented their case during the week the first thing they did was move to dismiss the whole case. The judge said she spent the evening before looking at the evidence and testimonies and ruled that there was enough evidence there to keep going. So clearly she is still on the fence herself.

There's no way you can know what the majority of the public have or haven't decided.

Absolutely.

Hear spent two plus years from 2016 thorugh 2018 releasing recordings, pictures and news stories into the public arena. She spent two years putting out her side of the story and evidence she felt corroborated it. Then she didn't want Depp to have any public forum to tell his side or put forward his evidence.

It wasn't that she didn't want it public, she just wanted to control the narrative. If she hadn't wanted it public, she wouldn't have released and sold pictures and recordings and stories.

It is interesting that when Johnny tried to dispute the allegations in 2016-2018 and said that he was a victim - no one believed him. People don't seem to be upset that he wasn't believed or supported as a victim of abuse for years.

If not being believed when you say you are a victim is upsetting, why weren't more people upset when Johnny wasn't believed?

*Midlifemusings&
If not being believed when you say you are a victim is upsetting, why weren't more people upset when Johnny wasn't believed?

The answer is easy, but various posters are happier to call misogyny etc. than reflect on their own bias.

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true. thats just spreading misinformation.

I also find it strange she has multiple pictures of him asleep or passed out, it’s such a violation of trust to take pictures of someone in a vulnerable position without their consent. And taping conversations with people not just Depp without prior consent, it’s odd.
police officers responding to calls have testified there was no evidence of dv. I do think it’s worth hearing all the evidence.
there was abuse on both sides I believe.

I think I’ve asked before on this thread/similar thread about this - what’s the evidence? Depp is suing because of the article and it’s not disputed she wrote that. But why hasn’t that come up then if it’s definite she’s been releasing this stuff?

You're right. I should clarify from out of what I've seen posted by people, the majority of those don't believe Amber Heard.

that is pretty standard in every single US trial i think - motion to dismiss. Always done and mostly refused.

If this was a rape trial or an assult trial i'd like to think it would not ever be shown in the USA. but as its about defamation (lying about an assult/sexual assult) then its allowed to be shown. As its pretty nasty its being televised if what she says is True. its effecticly allowing an abuser to publicly abuse her all over again?
(and i am thinking of this and similar cases, as a legal principle - should we have potential victims of abuse have to describe it in court and be cross examined on it to a live world wide public?)

If he loses, i wonder if then the police will actually prosecute him for the abuse (though its a higher standard of proof in criminal trials)

The private recordings were taken on her phone. TMZ obtained the rights to play them. They can only do that from the owner of the recordings. If her phone had been hacked - TMZ wouldn't be able to get rights to those recordings. Now maybe she sold them to an third party who sold them to TMZ - so it can't be evidence as we don't know who they bought them from but since they were able to obtain the rights to them - we know they came originally from Amber.

I really don’t understand why this case is getting so much coverage in UK media. They both come across as Hollywood nutcases who are doing nothing for their careers. Cue sob story memoir from both parties.

The level of abuse AH is claiming is a pretty big story tbh. Whether she's making it up to damage him or he's guilty of it, it's massive either way. She's a big part of the #metoo movement yet the evidence is that she's guilty of IPV.

It's not just two Hollywood stars fighting it out. This has big ramifications imo.

Yes, it is incredibly damaging for victims and survivors of DV. The nature and realities of DV and its fallout are still so stigmatised in the west. We like to think that with societal movement towards greater equality between the sexes that abuse against women/male violence is a now null and void subject.

I don't exactly know what to make of the whole JD/AH debacle, though so far it seems:
It was a toxic relationship. And I think they were both abusers/instigators of the abuse. Both damaged by intergenerational trauma. They are both unstable, but he used his advantage as a man and intetnational sex symbol as a means to control her. She may have been jealous of him, but so was he of her.

All this nonsense about her being the sole abuser, somehow asking, deserving or causing the abuse and JD's substance abuse, and the social media whitewashing of Depp being implicit in the toxicity, is shocking though unsurprising. Especially coming from women - internalised misogyny is real. And it shows lack of critical thinking and awareness or education around the fight for equality for women and girls.

you got there before me! Exactly, the poster showed themselves up by ironically proving what they were trying to disprove, i.e. people believing things that support their own viewpoint without taking a second to check if there is any actua evidence.
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/amber-heard-talented-mr-ripley-johnny-depp-b2073688.html

To anyone who believes Amber.

Listen to what the recordings and what they each say. (it is an hour but gives a good sense of their dynamic)

Listen to part 1 and part 2 in this tweet.
mobile.twitter.com/bybyeblackbird/status/1285735012135034893

She is the aggressor and she admits she loses it and being violent. She doesn't disagree with him when he says he has never done x.

What makes her so angry is when he walks away when they argue. She wants him to stay and fight. He wants to leave. She panics and feels abandoned and like he isn't fighting for the relationship when he walks away. She then loses it.

And remember in these clips, she knows she is recording and he doesn't know he is being recorded.

There is no medical evidence of the assault with the bottle in Australia. Please go back and rewatch her testimony.
Her story is ' the abuse happened', she went to the bathroom, retched, saw blood, went up to bed. Took 2 sleeping pills. Woke up, gave an extensive description of the paint and blood everywhere. Saw JD with his finger bandaged. She couldn't remember who called security and his Dr and Nurse. They came, the nurse gave her a sedative. She said she took a half or quarter. And went to sleep.

So she is claiming she experienced a horrific pyhsical and sexual assault, where her feet were "sliced up pretty good" from glass. She was beaten, choked, sexually assaulted with a bottle. And the only medical attention she was given was a sedative. There is recording of Australia, on her phone. It can't be admitted to court because Jerry Judge, JDs security died a few years ago.

As far as I can see there are 2 options.

1. Everyone else is lying, including 2 medical professionals.
2. She is lying.

@OnlyHippyInTheVillage Completely agree with your post. It doesn't make sense. She would have had glass embedded in her feet, there would have been bloody footprints all over the house, she would have needed the glass extracted and then stitched up, she wouldn't have been able to walk. That many blows to the head and she would have been unconscious, possibly dead.

Something else I don't understand is if it did happen, why has she not reported it to the police as a criminal matter? I understand not reporting it if she's not ready to but she's telling the whole world now so why not get a criminal case started. If someone had done that to me I would want to make sure they never did it to anyone else.