Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

Yes, I historically thought the idea that Murdoch had that kind of power was conspiracy theorist, but I have listened to all the tapes and read the judgements and I believe she is a dangerous person and a compulsive liar - much more so than he is - and yet the judge believed her. It is not just the judgement, it was his reasoning that I found flawed.

I read the judgement and didn't get the same impression as you. I do think you're being a bit tin foil hat there, sorry!

AH also has staff - but they keep testifying for JD.

Who, other than Kate James?

She seems to drink two bottles of red a day and take both prescription and recreational drugs, so quite as likely to be out of her mind as he was.

And yet that allegation hasn't been made, and she has no known history of addiction or blackouts.

Do you have a view on the dog smuggling for the perjury she is accused of in that case?

Both of them made a false statement, my view is that she was travelling with Johnny (i.e. his staff, his plane) and probably thought it had been handled by the staff which is what she's stated. It's not relevant to the abuse case unless you're talking about credibility, which applies to them both. She seems to have taken the fall for it though.

Her witnesses are all her family and friends and I think they are at least as unreliable as she or JD's entourage would be, which leaves you with the police and hospital evidence.

And photos, texts etc, the fact he frequently apologises for being a savage etc.

Nope just establishing credentials of one of them. Broken for an hour.

I must admit on the glass injuries... seeing as so much glass was every where I'm astonished that neither of them were more injured.
Even Johnny in that state! Slipping over in all that "liquid" and glass apparently bare feet?

Ok the finger is bad but how did they escape further injury?

I feel the result of this trial would be far more satisfactory to the public than the other one

It's got a wider scope.

It doesn’t add up does it? A bottle thrown and severing a finger. Every time I’ve seen glass injuries they’ve been feet, faces, palms etc. (bar work in rough areas). I think a thrown bottle would be tricky unless it smashes as you grab it?

I feel the result of this trial would be far more satisfactory to the public than the other one
It's got a wider scope.

I agree. The other one wasn't about Amber Heard's action but about Depp's. It's a bit clearer here how much the violence was going from Heard to Depp. But so far I've only seen Depp's side so it'll be interesring to hear her version.

It doesn’t add up does it? A bottle thrown and severing a finger. Every time I’ve seen glass injuries they’ve been feet, faces, palms etc. (bar work in rough areas). I think a thrown bottle would be tricky unless it smashes as you grab it?

It is odd isn't it. Amber has said she still has scars on her feet so maybe that will be in evidence?

@Aspiringmatriarch oh interesting I missed that.
listening to this ‘deal maker’ now - funny how none of them know about the uk trial

I know From odd glass smashing after a clean up ,one teeny shard has done damage.

I wasn't talking about the finger but that's Also bjzzare

I thought medic's were coming on About that?
A bottle against a finher would surely bruises it?

I was thinking more feet... arm's.. slipping over!

She was Able to walk??

I’m hoping that that gets cleared up via Ah testimony.

Does Johnny have a scar from the cigarette burn on his face? I feel like that would still be visible but I don't know. Maybe they have magical healing skin 😄

It is very possible that the bottle smashed against something leading to large pieces of glass from the bottle or what it hit flying through the air and cutting this finger.

I once saw a window break and a piece of glass from it cut someone's arm very deeply that was nearby.

I don't think Amber or Johnny directly cut the finger. I do thnk that it was cut by glass during whatever happened with bottles breaking.

Ok that makes sense. Maybe it will become clearer if Ah is asked about it.
this witness - ok so he had negative searches after the 2016 and 2018 incidents - isn’t that a no shit Sherlock thing?

Thats the same as the OpEd piece though, 'I've lost work because of it' - 'no shit Sherlock'

Another of AH's assistants - Savannah McMillan - testified that AH had forged her signature on a document (it was mis-spelt) as she was being illegally employed. Same assistant and one other (I think) testified that AH took the dogs to Australia knowing that they didn't have the right paperwork, because it couldn't be completed in the time available. The assistants had been the ones trying to sort the paperwork.

She joined Johnny, bringing the dogs with her, so I don't think you can argue that was his responsibility.

He made the statement to apologise to Australia after the fact to protect her. Again, the cover up is typical of abuse victims, not abusers.

He could have walked away at any point.

He could have not married a woman who did not get along with his children. If a woman married a man even though her children disliked him greatly, what would be said about her?

This whole thing is an example of how well the media can manipulate people so easily.

I think the Australia dog thing is on her largely. Bit I also think he is abusive.

I got burnt by a cigarette, I have no scar. Normal healing skin here.
I think this case how shown how quickly people believe female domestic abuse victims, not so much that a woman can be just as abusive as a man, if not worse.

I got burnt by a cigarette, I have no scar. Normal healing skin here.

Ah ok, well that's lucky. Must have been painful.

I think this case how shown how quickly people believe female domestic abuse victims, not so much that a woman can be just as abusive as a man, if not worse.

People should believe female domestic abuse victims though. And it seems like most people are far more sympathetic to Johnny in this case.

Sure - but he’s suing for defamation, I guess he has to prove 1. It’s not true and 2. It did him damage - he’s gone for 2 but I’m not sure he’s proved 1. yet.

Sure - but he’s suing for defamation, I guess he has to prove 1. It’s not true and 2. It did him damage - he’s gone for 2 but I’m not sure he’s proved 1. yet.

I concur.

People should believe female victims, but not solely because they are female. Should a female victim be a habitual liar she has to abide it as she would in bringing any case. We all depend on our reputations. If AH is the BPDisordered horror show she appears, she will damage women as certainly as she will men - not least the ones who support her.

Amber is now at the point that she needs the financial win at court. Her acting career is probably completely over, she is probably going to need expensive security to keep her safe and she is still young with a child. I think the cross examination of her is going to be brutal. The biggest loser is still the damage this has done to domestic abuse victims all from a toxic relationship that should have been resolved in a divorce and therapy.

I am a victim and survivor of domestic abuse with a man being the perpetrator. My current DH is a victim of domestic abuse at the hands of his ex partner. I see absolutely no correlation between Johnny Depps demeanour and that of an abuser. I do however see numerous traits in her that point to an abusive person.

AH minimises hitting him and then calls him names because he dares mention the assault. She chases him around the house and seems to actually want conflict, like she gets off on it. She won't allow JD to have time out and retreat from the conflict. I went through exactly the same with my ex and when someone is backed into a corner like that, it is a ticking time bomb before they explode and retaliate. I'm quite surprised that JD kept as calm as he did under the circumstances because I certainly didn't.

When JD told her that he was done and was divorcing her, she then filed for a restraining order 6 days later. Purely a retaliation tactic because how dare he leave her! Exactly what my husbands ex does. Every time he stands up to her over an issue or questions her, she will make up false allegations and call social services saying he has harmed their child.

AH's tactics are blatantly obvious and I even believe that she does have BPD, especially since she cannot stand to be left. The fear of abandonment kicks in and she can't handle it. Her reactions escalate very fast to the extreme and she will do everything in her power to stop JD from leaving her. This is even evident where JD had to go to bed at the same time as her and he wasn't allowed to stay up and watch TV. My husbands ex did exactly the same. It's fear of abandonment in addition to enjoying that power and control over someone.