Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

Yes she has lied about most things including her injuries. When you go deeper into the evidence you realize that the evidence that doesn't support most of what she has said.

You can listen to the unedited tape in that link above - it is two hours long. That blogger transcribed it but you can check the tape if there is something you don't think is the proper transcription.

And when you realize the context and physical violence around the sexual assaults isn't true, it also makes the sexual assaults not make sense as she positions them in the midst of these other stories.

She is a damaged person. She has major psychological issues and needs help for sure. However she knows what she is doing.

There was nothing at the time that suggested it was accidental. There were texts I think where he says sorry gof headbutting her but at no point says "it was an accident". It's odd that so many people are willing to decide that Heard was not physically abused or sexually assaulted but are straight in there accepting that him headbutting Ambef was "accidental".

The UK Judge did NOT find it was accidental.

On here It seems that there is always some sort of justification when its a woman abusing a man.

I’m not basing my opinion on who is M/F or who is more famous or personable or what a uk judge has previously ruled but the evidence I’ve seen and heard in this trial.
Everyone is entitled to make their own mind up but I dont think it’s odd at all that many are siding with him I’m finding it hard to see how people are not seeing the same from the evidence and testimonies given and not the parts where it’s he said/she said.
Anyway everyone is entitled to different point of views, I’ll keep watching it when it’s back with an open mind until the end but at this point I can’t see my opinion changing

The uk trial gets mentioned a fair bit, I actually think the uk trial is benefiting Depp. His witnesses on the most part are sticking with their previous testimonies. Amber on the other hand has lost witnesses, there are much more serious inconsistencies with her account, I know I would be influenced with the donation testimony, I would judge her morals. Have to wait and see about the photographs authenticity.
I don’t think Amber takes advice well, her council would have advised to stick to the main details but Ambers style of talking is to narrate her story with details that just aren’t relevant, but if any of these details are not believable or you repeat them wrong the story become unbelievable even if the major detail is correct.

Yes you're right. The couple counsellor said him leaving is her worse nightmare and she would rather start a fight than let him leave. She tells him repeatedly he needs to stay and fight and by leaving he's making it worse. He was in an impossible situation.

But would that be the same if you feared for your life like she said she was? She's not just saying she was abused, she's saying she was scared of him. She feared he was going to kill her.

Coupled with drink and drugs and it seems he was jealous and insecure about her it was a disaster.

Yes. I agree. She adds things to elaborate which can then easily be proven as lies.

I think she does this to try and make the story more credible as people have said, including her psychologist that you remember every detail of abuse. You relive it. Conveniently she also said that trauma can mean you forget things too or the sequencing of events.

But this exposes parts of her testimony and discredits her.

I am still on the fence. Partly because I can't quite believe someone could invent stories like this, lie in a public court and look the jury in the eyes. But maybe she really believes it all did happen in her mind.

Partly because I can't quite believe someone could invent stories like this

Ever watched a movie? People make up all sorts of fantastical and amazing things unfortunately for AH she just hasnt realised that a court of law isnt the right place to do it

I was on the fence and still think they brought out the worst of each other but I’m having trouble with the details of the sexual assault, the level of brutality with the lack of physical evidence witnessed by those around. Which then questions everything else.

Has anyone heard the voice clip about the argument about the aquaman wig. She's in a strop because he has put the wig on for a joke.

I know it's bad but JD saying "aquamaaaaan" did make me snort with laughter 😂

She feared he was going to kill her.

So she bought him a personally engraved large bladed knife as a gift!

These are all from her 2016 deposition.
I dont think shes tired from questioning, she has to change her act depending on what the questions are. I can't understand how anyone believes her.

i do think in finding an expert witness to strengthen Amber Heards case they may have chosen unwisely. Dr Hughes is clearly passionate about female victims but during their sessions it feels like Amber was encouraged to delve deeper and Ambers over descriptions have left a report that asks more questions than it answers.

I'm pretty sure that kitchen knives have killed more people than personally engraved ones.

On here it seems that many are completely happy to disregard everything that would suggest the Depp is an abuser. If they do they accept that he was a psychological abuser buy can't possibly be guilty of physical and sexual abuse.

It seems with Depp it absolutely fine to roll out the old excuses of her being to blame for his behaviour meanwhile she is the one who is responsible for his behaviour I.e. "she triggered him".

His abuse is a result of being a victim whilst her reactions cany possibly be a result of dealing with the stress of his actions.

She sh%t the bed gets mentioned a lot but no-one bangs on there being a text of him asking someone to sh%t on the floor as a supposed joke on her.

The arrest for assaulting her previous partner gets mentioned a lot whilst failing to note that a prosecution was not bought and her ex partner has said it was not domestic abuse but a homophobic attack on both of them.

I see people say he won't win the trial but also that he's still not guilty of the offences. Various reasons rolled out why the UK judgement isn't valid, that Heard lies disregarding the fact that you can find places where Depp has lied.

Heard is acting in court, her reactions aren't apparently the right ones for a victim etc. Meanwhile his behaviour in Court is apparently his coping method like he despite the fact that it pretty clearly looks obnoxious to me. He's enjoying the whole circus and putting her through this. When he approaches her in Court and she looks shocked and I little jumpy, she's acting but hardly anyone seems to say anything about the fact that he laughs away, enjoying the uncomfortable moment.

Honestly, they both seem like troubled people who've behaved poorly and abusively but this vitriol against Amber vs the never ending defence for Depp is disgusting and seems to me to prove that what Amber said in the article was accurate.

It's also interesting that someone else has mentioned that the younger generation don't seem to creating this never ending defence of Depp and when I spoke to my mother and her friends they also didn't act this way. It seems to mostly be people of a generation where Depp was considered hot stuff. One day future generations will look back at this in the same way we look at behaviours from the 70s. Confused, shocked and horrified that this was allowed.

I will also add that there's a lot of insinuation that Heard premeditated all this with her filmng etc and Depp states she was creating an insurance policy. But if that is the case, why on earth did she self incriminate on them? If she's so manipulative then surely she would have denied those allegations on her "insurance policy" tapes.

Lalaaaa Honestly, they both seem like troubled people who've behaved poorly and abusively but this vitriol against Amber vs the never ending defence for Depp is disgusting and seems to me to prove that what Amber said in the article was accurate.

It's also interesting that someone else has mentioned that the younger generation don't seem to creating this never ending defence of Depp and when I spoke to my mother and her friends they also didn't act this way. It seems to mostly be people of a generation where Depp was considered hot stuff. One day future generations will look back at this in the same way we look at behaviours from the 70s. Confused, shocked and horrified that this was allowed.

I agree; I can't believe the way that otherwise fairly rational, sensible people have jumped to defend this Hollywood film star with amazing PR. They completely forget that he is choosing to pursue her around the courts of the world trying to prove that she wasn't hit by him on at least one occasion. Even just one occasion and he doesn't prove his case, because its not defamatory. But no, people think she is sueing him for money, or he is being charged with an offence and has to prove his innocence, no matter, everything is interpreted disfavourably against her. Suddenly, they're all experts in evidence (despite the fact that they confuse claimants and defenders and can't understand basic court procedures) and are completely unaware that all lawyers are trained to be aware of the bias against believing female witnesses. We all know it happens, judges are aware it will happen, and although this is a civil jury trial, the judge will direct the jury with an awareness of this in mind. Not only that, we all know that men abuse women physically far more than vice versa? Why can we so certain about that? Because women die in far greater numbers from men attacking them than vice versa.

I think they're both fairly abusive liars but I don't believe that he didn't physically abuse her at least once.

Personally to me, Depp appears to be a raddled looking older man with typical signs of substance abuse issues, who can pull the serious and weary act when it suits. Heard clearly has a very hystrionic, unreliable personality but she also shows strong signs of reactive abuse. Depp of course would have been well aware of this as he dated her for long enough before marrying her, but probably wanted a young beautiful trophy on his arm. She what? 26 years younger than him? She was a baby when he was in his mid twenties? She's from a different generation. She uses language differently from him and has different attitudes. He could have had his pick of beautiful, more well adjusted women who would have put up and shut up like Vanessa Paradis for the money and the profile, but no, he wanted this one and then basically is throwing his toys out of the pram when she didn't react as he wanted to being put down and picked up like a beautiful object or to his ingrained way of behaving.

I have no issue with Heard's credibility and stories being questioned and her actions in how she treated Johnny (based on facts as heard in video and recorded and photographic evidence) being criticized. I also support Johnny in having a public forum to bring forward his perspective in response to Amber's use of the public forum for years to put out her perspective.

However much of the vitriol and attacks on her are very immature. Fans / stans are not known to be rational and just like on every topic, people read headlines and jump to conclusions. I am not on social media much but soundbites there can be taken out of context and obviously there are people on both sides trying to show what they want others to see or hear.

It has turned into a bit of circus for sure and once again this whole cancel culture wave sweeps through. I am all for accountability but not cancelling or ruining people. People are complex, life is complex and the black and white thinking is not how the real world works.

It’s easier to disregard that Johnny is the abuser because of Amber. From the argument on the stairs, to the statement that it was the only time she hit him, the description of the beating and sexual assault, the charity donation and more. To position herself as an ambassador of domestic violence on what seems an extremely toxic relationship. The more people disbelieve her the more they will question what part was Johnny Depp in the relationship if he was actually the victim and not a participant in abuse (even he there is proof of abuse). Her credibility has a direct effect on how Johnny Depp is viewed.

Absolutely agree with your posts Laaaaslalala and AchatAVendre

JD takes absolutely no responsibility for his own actions at all. She made him do it, she drove a wedge between him and his children because she was demanding, ex partner and mother of his children is a French cunt after his money, ex partner abusive cunt and after his money

what role did his excessive drinking and drug taking have on his downfall well apparently not much it was those women on his life around him at fault

his pr team have been very successful at making people forget that he is a man with serious drink and substance misuse issues rather than someone who likes to get a bit high and drink on occasions

I am curious as to how you can say after listening to his testimony that he took no responsibility for his actions? How did you interpret what he was saying when he was talking about his substance use and actions?

Or it could be when people question Amber and her actions there is a redirect back to Johnny and all his actions but no mention of Ambers actions. .

SHe baited him, wouldn't let him leave, followed him around and pressed his buttons.

Said by all wife bashers who blame the woman because 'you drove me to it'.

The misogyny on here is disgusting. NO woman ever deserves to be hit or abused. EVER. No matter how many 'buttons' she pushes. He is responsible for his own actions.

We already know he smashes up houses/apartments. Any woman on here who posted for advice and said their DH gets verbally abusive and punches walls and smashes things would rightfully be told he is dangerous and abusive and to LTB. But because it's Depp women excuse him his clearly abusive and violent history.

When he approaches her in Court and she looks shocked and I little jumpy, she's acting but hardly anyone seems to say anything about the fact that he laughs away, enjoying the uncomfortable moment.

Do you mean here? at 1:24

It isn't mysogyny to criticize or question stories that clearly have no credibility. Amber's lies on the stand speak for themself. Amber's actions and words in the recordings speak for themself. It isn't mysogyny to hold her accountable for what she has said and done.