Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

I have watched lots of it. I think he was abusive , I think they were mutually abusive like dr Anderson said. She was a trigger for him. SHe baited him, wouldn't let him leave, followed him around and pressed his buttons. SHe was verbally abusive and seemed to run rings around him in their verbal arguments. But at the end of the day she only has to prove abuse of any kind and once and I think her team can. She is much better at manipulating things and understanding what the lawyers are getting at and what people want in the court than he is. She's just quicker off the mark and uses this to her advantage.

I think all the other stuff is hugely exaggerated and I heard a tape where she threatened to call the police when there was no argument. I don't think he did any of the rest of the stuff but unfortunately she is very manipulative and clever and has backed him into a corner. She said in her therapist interview that she feels she can be four different people. I can see that from the tapes in court.

She has really done a number on him but he got himself into it and he didn't realise how calculating and abusive she was until it was too late. Their relationship was toxic. However, he got himself into this and I think he was abusive on some level so will loose.

She's not a credible witness but the psychologist notes saying she is a victim are, the recording where he admits he head butted her and the couple therapist who says they both reported abusive is. Plus, the two people saying they saw bruises and a split lip are. They only need to prove one piece of abuse and the audios show verbal abuse. So game over.

They don't only need to prove one piece of abuse. The headline of the article was about sexual violence. They have to prove sexual violence. That is why the psychologist who testified for her went into such detail on the sexual violence and Amber as well. This is a different case from the UK one in terms of what needs to be proved.

I think evidence suggests they were mutually abusive. Even if Depp loses this case - probably will - he has shown the public it was mutual and not just him which was the narrative she was putting out. V toxic relationship.

Everyone accepts that they were mutually verbally and emotionally abusive.

What evidence have you seen during the trial that suggests he was physically and sexually abusive and guilty of the sexual violence AH wrote about in the op-ed?

Because (for the umpteenth time) that's what the court case is about.

I don’t think Johnny Depp is going to be satisfied if it’s seen as mutual abuse if his abuse now includes serious sexual assaults.

www.refinery29.com/en-us/2016/06/113149/domestic-violence-911-call-famous-friend

this is on the supplemental evidence list. Don’t know if it will be used/objected to

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4631436/amp/Johnny-Depp-s-team-knew-alleged-abuse-Amber-Heard.html

interesting from
when he sued TMG also on supplemental list

Do we know if any of the friends around at the time will be giving any evidence as it just seems odd to me that they say they witnessed this but wouldn’t be shouting that in court?
Also I still find it hard to believe if her face was that swollen and he had head butted her how she was seen on tv the next day with no marks at all, even the make up artist has testified that

Her make up artist who testified that she saw the injuries on the James Corden incident had reported death threats so I am unsure if she will be testifying again. The person who testified for Depp is a stylist not her make up artist

Physical abusive evidence- he is heard on tape saying he head butted her. I head butted your forehead I did not break your nose. JD said when AH said he had broken her nose. I heard an audiotape where she says get off me. Obviously she could just be saying that.

Other audios saying she gives as good as she gets. We were both violent on both sides.

Dr Anderson the couple therapist said they both admitted to physical abuse. That's how she got her conclusion it was physical abuse.

AH nurse and Dr Anderson saw her with her a slip lip and a bruise under her eye.

I think he was verbally and physically abusive and so was she. But the abuse was minimal nor the severe and repetitive sexual and physical abuse she is claiming. I think he's been very stupid and listened to lawyers or whoever. Got herself into a corner turning up at the court with bruises to file for the RO. Then the article and she finds herself having to lie upon lie. Getting bigger and bigger each time. When someone is lying like that they will get tripped up and this is what is happening. His testimony is much more genuine, his answers not rehearsed, he is trying to answer the questions honestly and doesn't try and hide the bad parts of himself. But I wonder if this approach is his downfall. He doesn't try to sell his story, look at the jury and Milk it as she does. He doesn't seem to know what the lawyer is trying to get at a lot of the time so doesn't answer the question properly and defend himself enough.

Has JD got tripped up lying? Apart from trying to portray himself as a southern gentleman which is a joke.

I am very curious to see her cross examine as so much of it does not make sense. If you are scared of someone you don't bait them and verbally abuse them and not let them leave like the audios show. She purposely mocks him, berates him, calls him names, minimises things and messes with his thoughts. You can hear all that in the tapes. Then goes back to him and says you know I love you. She is a master manipulator imo.

I don't understand why JDs lawyer didn't make more of the audiotape where she admits to JD that she lied to the bodyguard about hitting JD. Surely that shows she has no problem looking someone in the eye and lying. Does he this shoe if she can lie once she can lie again.

When does her cross examination start?

I thought she reported she saw no bruises. None of the people there did.

I think he admitted to accidentally head butting her while trying to restrain her from hitting him, not in a deliberate headbutt but a knocking of heads, he’s not admitted to deliberately doing it

No her make up artist is Melanie Inglessis and she testified for the uk trial that she covered the bruises

Melanie was one of her closest friends, along with Whitney, Rocky, and Amanda (de Cadenet). In the days after the supposed phone incident, all five of them hung out together at the Penthouse. You can see the video of it here

Whitney and Amber had a hot cold relationship. We have the video where Whitney admits Amber beat her up in a fight and then doesnt' want to talk about it, we know Whitney leaked pictures from the wedding and the two had a falling out and Whitney left the penthouses for a year and eventually came back.

Rocky and Amber have also since fallen out. We know they had a physical fight at least once and are no longer on speaking terms. We also know that Rocky lied outright in her divorce deposition, thinking she was saying what she was supposed to say instead of telling the truth. She was under oath.

Amanda was one of Amber's closest friends and an activist for MeToo that got Amber into that and TimesUp as well. When the recordings came out that showed Amber was not the victim she had made herself out to be to Amanda, Amanda dropped her like a hot potato - and expressed disappointment and feeling she had been used and mislead. She was supposed to be a witness for Amber in the UK but withdrew after hearing the recordings.

And that leaves Melanie in her little posse. I have no doubt Melanie would lie for her too. Multiple people saw Amber without make-up on the same day and only Melanie (once of her best friends) saw bruises. Melanie tried to fight the order to testify but lost. She testified that Amber had told her many times about the abuse stories but everything she knew came from Amber. Melanie is not on the list to testify as a witness for Amber in this trial.

You are right there there is no evidence for him being physically or sexually abusive, just psychologically.

I am not even sure anymore he was psychologically abusive. He said a few unkind things for sure but when you listen to the tapes there really isn't a psychological abuse perspective. He isn't taunting or mocking her or trying to control her. I might have just forgotten something from the evidence that showed he was psychologically abusive but in most of what I listened to and read recently - he wasn't the abuser - verbally or emotionally.

Which one is IO talking about here? With blood all over the pillow in the morning, clumps of hair on the carpet and a busted lip?

This is an interesting video on IO's testimony and 911 call

I've read through so much, the evidence the transcripts.

And I'm starting to think AH is actually the more abusive partner in this mix.

I've gone from 50/50 to 60/40 and I'm now at like 75/25 AH-JD.

Suppose I'll just have to wait till the conclusion it may swing back.

Midlifemusings the video by that YouTube guy showing the text between Ambers parents and JD is shocking, I hope they show that evidence in Virginia

@mummyrocks1 it’s actually quite common that women who are abused will start fights/arguments

it becomes a cycle of abuse and often they become physical too. Self esteem is so low that the fear of them leaving is far worse than another beating. Sexual aggression is very common too followed by the sorry I love you everything is great for a while as the abuser is on their best behaviour but there is so much tension there it’s like waiting for a keg to explode and many will try to light it

its not as simple as someone lashes out and the other is in fear for their life many will fight back and this is often referred to as giving as good as you got … now where have we heard that ?

Me too, I might be even farther than 75/25 now.

I was just reading this transcript (someone transcribed one of the two hour recordings)

annsilvers.com/blogs/news/johnny-depp-and-amber-heard-audio-recording-sept-2015-transcript?_pos=1&_sid=39af31415&_ss=r

What is clear in it is that Amber is deeply damaged from her past. She equates fighting with love and she needs him to show love by fighting. She wants fights and she says in one place, I only feel when we fight. His walking away or not engaging in a fight shatters her. She takes it as he doesn't love her or want the marriage and this makes her lose it. She tells him they need to fight and she needs to be allowed to fight and she sees fighting as a positive thing in a marriage. Her view is so twisted and deeply entrenched. Neither are great communicators when you read their conversations. She also tells him how he feels and thinks and gets upset if he tries to speak for himself about that. She tells him you married me for safety and security - and he tries to tell her he married her because he loved her and she gets mad. Her view of both their perspectives is very fixed in her mind and she just needs him to do what she needs him to do and say what she needs him to say. All the fighting in her childhood has clearly warped her view of fighting in relationships.

That can be true but not applicable really to this situation. We have hours and hours of recordings and transcripts where we can hear their dynamic and tone and conversations.

Those realised that have been edited

those where they are know they are being recorded

we also have pictures of injuries

and when have you known there to be evidence is sexual assault it’s rare because the victim often feels so ashamed, hurt the last thing they want is to be examined

unless you are saying everything she has said she is lying about and created her own injuries?