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Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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StormzyinaTCup · 30/04/2022 19:14

Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

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ENoeuf · 07/05/2022 17:07

Burgoo · 07/05/2022 17:03

Firstly I wonder whether the OP would be asking this question if it was Depp being branded an abuser? Just curious.

In terms of people thinking Heard is the "bad" one in this whole thing...

  1. I don't think she helps herself with her demeanour. She seems aloof, stuck up, princess-y and dismissive. Her facial expression and body language screams "trying to hold it together" and I can imagine her doing things he claims.
  2. Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis have come out with strong statements that they could never imagine Depp behaving as he is alleged to have done. Paradis in particular had a long relationship with him and if there was going to be someone who would speak out against him it'd surely be her.
  3. There seems to be a real lack of physical evidence he was assaultive toward her. No bruising. No injuries etc. She claimed he beat her severely yet nobody saw any marks on her person. How?
  4. Her behaviour comes off as bad acting. As someone who has studied human behaviour for well on two decades, something just seems "off". Of course I don't know her though there seems to be an incongruency with what she says and what she looks like.

At the same time I think both are probably as bad as each other. Depp clearly has issues and has historically had huge problems with drugs and alcohol. He hasn't come off in a good light here and some of the evidence against him has been rather unflattering.

In what capacity have you studied it for two decades? Just taking an interest or actual expert research and study? Genuine question.
i think VP isn’t black and white as she’s the mother of his kids - coming out against him would be difficult. Also, abusers don’t always abuse every partner to the same extremes.

AdamRyan · 07/05/2022 17:29

Yes. Also you have no idea if any of his ex partners also signed NDAs like Heard did, as part of a settlement.

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 17:40

Also, I'd be interested to hear Vanessa's real opinion now that she knows he refers to her as an withering cunt.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 17:47

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 17:40

Also, I'd be interested to hear Vanessa's real opinion now that she knows he refers to her as an withering cunt.

Well she may not be happy with the description but I doubt it would turn her against him, she defended him before. Its not likely she would change her version of events simply because he described her in less than flattering terms.

Midlifemusings · 07/05/2022 17:49

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 17:40

Also, I'd be interested to hear Vanessa's real opinion now that she knows he refers to her as an withering cunt.

She may also have called him names in texts to her friends so it might not really be that big of an issue for her. When people split up, there are often less than complimentary things said privately.

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 17:50

Well she may not be happy with the description but I doubt it would turn her against him

how would you know?

she defended him before

probably before she was fully aware of this particular side to his character.

honestly, imagine referring to the mother of your children like that? 😵‍💫

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 17:55

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 17:50

Well she may not be happy with the description but I doubt it would turn her against him

how would you know?

she defended him before

probably before she was fully aware of this particular side to his character.

honestly, imagine referring to the mother of your children like that? 😵‍💫

Because him calling her names in texts doesn't mean he's assaulted AH. Its silly to think that from him venting in a text, she would change her support.

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 17:57

Because him calling her names in texts doesn't mean he's assaulted AH.

I never said it did, did I.

however 'support' may not be an accurate word to describe her feelings towards him now. That vile streak would be hard to ignore.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 18:02

I just don't think that it would have that big an impact to sway her support. He's still the father of her children and most people understand that after a break up, ex's aren't always the most complimentary. She supported him because she knew he wasn't abusive in their relationship, that support I doubt will be changed from the nasty text.

Midlifemusings · 07/05/2022 18:05

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 17:57

Because him calling her names in texts doesn't mean he's assaulted AH.

I never said it did, did I.

however 'support' may not be an accurate word to describe her feelings towards him now. That vile streak would be hard to ignore.

She was with the man for over a decade. I am pretty sure she is well aware of his sense of humour, his use of movie and tv quotes in conversations, and his way of speaking about people. He even uses cunt endearingly in texts with Amber - clearly his use of the word is different from your own but his partners likely know him and how he uses words.

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 18:05

You don't have a clue how she feels.

Any speculation is ridiculous.

I've known many people coming out of marriages, none of them have used that kind of vile language.

but again, all we see is normalising nasty stuff from Depp.

Midlifemusings · 07/05/2022 18:07

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 18:05

You don't have a clue how she feels.

Any speculation is ridiculous.

I've known many people coming out of marriages, none of them have used that kind of vile language.

but again, all we see is normalising nasty stuff from Depp.

I was responding to your speculations about how she feels!!

What is vile to you is not vile to all.

FrippEnos · 07/05/2022 18:09

TheKeatingFive

You don't have a clue how she feels.

Neither do you but you are happy to post that what she has said isn't her "real opinion"

Any speculation is ridiculous.

Yet the original speculation was yours.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 18:11

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 18:05

You don't have a clue how she feels.

Any speculation is ridiculous.

I've known many people coming out of marriages, none of them have used that kind of vile language.

but again, all we see is normalising nasty stuff from Depp.

Neither do you, but you're insinuating her feelings will have changed. You started the topic of her feelings, people are allowed to feel differently to you about things. I'm answering the speculation you began and said 'I doubt' not I know because I don't know.

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 18:13

I don't think it's controversial that Vanessa may not have shared her real opinion of being called a 'withering cunt' due to the high profile nature of the case and the fact that this arsehole is the father of her kids.

anything else I've said was couched in what she 'may' feel.

PaperTyger · 07/05/2022 18:15

I'm sure VP was not at all surprised to hear he called her that!
But it shows it wasn't all peace and light with them.
Jennifer grey, dated him and said paranoid etc.

Midlifemusings · 07/05/2022 18:21

PaperTyger · 07/05/2022 18:15

I'm sure VP was not at all surprised to hear he called her that!
But it shows it wasn't all peace and light with them.
Jennifer grey, dated him and said paranoid etc.

Jennifer Grey talks very positively about her relationship with Johnny Depp. Did you hear her on GMA recently? She is promoting a book and obviously her publisher wanted to get a couple Johnny Depp lines from the book out there to take advantage of the current attention on Depp for her book promotion.

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 18:23

Actually, in fairness you're absolutely right, I don't know.

perhaps VP thinks 'withering cunt' is a fair and accurate description of her and is delighted this relationship modelling is there for their daughter to see.

ENoeuf · 07/05/2022 18:28

People change don’t they. Maybe with more and more substance abuse and a faltering career it was easy to direct anger at a person and not a hotel bedroom. Who knows? 20 plus years is a long time. It’s definitely in his favour no one has named him as an abuser of women before now but against that 1. Who would and 2. Maybe drugs have made him more paranoid etc

Midlifemusings · 07/05/2022 18:29

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 18:23

Actually, in fairness you're absolutely right, I don't know.

perhaps VP thinks 'withering cunt' is a fair and accurate description of her and is delighted this relationship modelling is there for their daughter to see.

Black meet white.

Your thinking is very concrete and neither people nor the world are that black and white. 98% of life happens in the grey and you are just jumpin from the 1% black to the 1% white. Shift just a little up or down and join the complexity of life and people in the grey.

TheKeatingFive · 07/05/2022 18:32

Black meet white.

tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Knock yourself out.

If you think that 'withering cunt' is a descriptor any daughter should hear their mother called by their father.

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StormzyinaTCup · 07/05/2022 18:34

On the VP text situation - maybe VP was getting some concerning feedback on the relationship via the children and she bought it up with him. That wouldn't have gone down well because he was smitten with AH, hence he vented on text to a friend. He stated the text was sent after a five hour conversation with VP so not a quick chat. Only JD and VP know what that conversation was about and she may well have texted her friends with something equally uncomplimentary. Doesn't change anything about their 14 year relationship.

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Newbeginnings2 · 07/05/2022 18:35

I think it was a toxic relationship on both sides and by no means is JD perfect with the name calling and smashing things up but as far as the physical/Sexual abuse allegations I just don’t believe it, I do believe what many have testified to, even AH said herself on tape that he was the one consistently trying to calm the situation by walking away, which she has adopted as what she used to do according to her testimony despite the fact we’ve heard her admit it, calling him a baby for always running off. She has caused significant damage to the whole ‘Me too’ movement if she is lying and all the genuine people suffering too scared to speak up.

Inkanta · 07/05/2022 18:51

If you think that 'withering cunt' is a descriptor any daughter should hear their mother called by their father

Exactly! Hard to believe VP is cool with that kind of name calling. Basically it's not clever or respectful.

Newbeginnings2 · 07/05/2022 18:55

If you think that 'withering cunt' is a descriptor any daughter should hear their mother called by their father

obviously not but can we remember this was said in confidence to a friend and not to the daughter about her mother, I’m sure a lot of divorced people would be horrified if confidential conversations with their friends in the midst of an argument/ heat of the moment were shown to their kids at a later date

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