Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

How was it proven she had lied? What about her other friends IO and Savannah. She says they witnessed some of the arguments.

Yes it was proven she lied in the deposition. At one point she says she wrote her declaration of what she witnessed of the fight entirely herself with no external input and then emailed it to the lawyers. Then when confronted about the fact that she was at the lawyer's office so why would she email it, she then said she wrote it herself and handed it to the lawyer. Then when asked was she sure that she had written it herself and not given a draft from the lawyers to read, she said no, they had given her a template of how to write a declaration but that was it. It was clear she was lying and so Amber's lawyer actually stepped in and put on record that she herself had drafted Rocky's statement and given it to her for review and editing.

These are the worst ones...and remember they were recorded when she knew what she said was being recorded and Johnny didn't. So she is self censoring and putting forward what she wants on tape and he is just speaking and acting naturally as he isn't aware he is being recorded.

Cant see if its been mentioned but Kate Moss can be now. JD legal team were thrilled she mentioned her, so i don't think she's likely to back up AH testimony involving her.

Isn’t there reports that there was DV between her and her ex wife? Aren’t they allowed to use these if she has been arrested for DV previously?

Cant see if its been mentioned but Kate Moss can be now. JD legal team were thrilled she mentioned her, so i don't think she's likely to back up AH testimony involving her.

Yes, I have just been reading about this and as I understand it JD lawyer did a fist pump as soon as AH mentioned KM. KM was down as a witness for JD but it was decided that she couldn't be a witness as it was not seen as pertinent to this case (I would imagine that covers all past relationships on both sides) unless of course AH brings it up herself in her testimony.....which she then did. KM is now relevant to the case and could be called, it's also possible that this now opens the door for AH past relationships to be bought up on cross examination, so that would include her DV arrest.

I also think the Kate moss proves that what is written in a paper becomes truth even when those involved deny. The power that the media have. So on questioning Amber and she provides her source and thus confirming the power of written media leads to defamation.

Yes that could certainly be an angle. The only issue with that, I believe, is that AH said she had very recently heard it from two of her friends which was why it was ‘fresh in her mind’ in relation to the staircase incident. That would definitely get a call from her team as ‘hearsay’.

I have just watched this and I don’t see what you’re seeing. To me it looks like someone who is fatigued from being questioned and has emotionally checked out. I noticed a couple of slight smiles but to me it appears to be more of a bemusement in response to the constant objections and general clucking of lawyers around her. What do you think her face should be doing? Genuine question.

I'm seeing eye rolling, smiling, sad face, frustration, surprise all in the space of about a minute and a half. Im not seeing someone who has 'emotionally checked out', I'm seeing someone who is unsure what emotion to use/which one is appropriate. She clearly smiled when JD was talking about her hitting him, so either it was funny to her or the wrong emotion was 'selected'. Just my unqualified opinion.

Amber has a difficult baseline as she is often all over the place so it’s believable that different people will view her in different ways often to extremes opinions. I see someone who has let it get into her head on how she should behave that’s it’s interfering with her natural demeanour.

Interesting how Elon Musk begins to get injuries on his face too when with Amber.

Who knows what actually happened but the whole thing is comedy gold. Can’t get enough of Johnny’s texts for example. Just brilliant entertainment.

The notion of a the victim having to be "perfect" or saintly, beyond question in their behaviour at all times, isn't really something that is generally applied to men.

KM is now relevant to the case and could be called, it's also possible that this now opens the door for AH past relationships to be bought up on cross examination, so that would include her DV arrest.

Thats exactly what its done. Now her previous relationships can be used in cross examination. If she didn't want that, she shouldn't have mentioned KM. Her testimony has actually done a favour for them as they can also bring up her previous arrest for assault to show history. Whether she meant to do that or not remains to be seen, but thats the reason they were so happy with it.

I haven't sen anyone expect perfection or sainthood out of a woman either.

Has anyone changed their opinion since the Australia account. I was a toxic relationship that neither should be proud of or openly speak about unless in therapy. But I’m having trouble buying that Depp extremely high and drunk could inflict that level of brutality and still have enough about himself to ensure no visible injuries. I already know she can lie quite easily but if this isn’t believed as true or it’s been exaggerated by those listening then I can see no public comeback ever, no matter the trial result.

quoting lines from movies in her testimony is really bizarre. Do you think they might question her on that?

I’m actually worried for her safety - I hope she has some decent mental health support because I certainly couldn’t cope with the outpouring of hate before the case has even heard her defence. If she loses god help her.

I have feared for both of them since the sun, the leaks have been gaining support for Depp even before this trial and painting heard as the abuser and I think if Depp comes away from this being called a wife beater and now a rapist he may OD. Clearing his name has been his ultimate goal. Amber is pretty much screwed now I think she could produce a video showing the physical abuse and many still wouldn’t believe her.

Because that's what the evidence suggests. You'd know this if you actually bother to look and listen to it all. She has also been arrested for DV in her previous marriage.

As someone who works with women who are victims of domestic violence on a daily basis this is a tremendous step backwards with regards to female justice and equality. The media have decided who they want the public to support and TikTok have supported it. It is terrifying to think that young girls are watching this media circus erupt around them, they are consumed by the negativity aimed at Amber from what she looks like, acts like, every facial expression, movement is analysed and ripped to shreds. Whilst a man who is undoubtedly abusive in some way is given flowers outside the court, cheered, made into a hero, what message is this sending to our children? There is evidence of him in a drug fuelled rage smashing glasses at a woman’s feet, anyone who has been a victim of domestic violence can tell you how terrifying that behaviour is, that behaviour IS abuse, that behaviour is always unjustified.

is terrifying to think that young girls are watching this media circus erupt around them, they are consumed by the negativity aimed at Amber from what she looks like, acts like, every facial expression, movement is analysed and ripped to shreds. Whilst a man who is undoubtedly abusive in some way is given flowers outside the court, cheered, made into a hero, what message is this sending to our children?

absolutely. It's appalling.

You'd know this if you actually bother to look and listen to it all.

Ive read the U.K. judgement in it's entirety. It was grim reading let me tell you.

Firstly I wonder whether the OP would be asking this question if it was Depp being branded an abuser? Just curious.

In terms of people thinking Heard is the "bad" one in this whole thing...

1. I don't think she helps herself with her demeanour. She seems aloof, stuck up, princess-y and dismissive. Her facial expression and body language screams "trying to hold it together" and I can imagine her doing things he claims.
2. Winona Ryder and Vanessa Paradis have come out with strong statements that they could never imagine Depp behaving as he is alleged to have done. Paradis in particular had a long relationship with him and if there was going to be someone who would speak out against him it'd surely be her.
3. There seems to be a real lack of physical evidence he was assaultive toward her. No bruising. No injuries etc. She claimed he beat her severely yet nobody saw any marks on her person. How?
4. Her behaviour comes off as bad acting. As someone who has studied human behaviour for well on two decades, something just seems "off". Of course I don't know her though there seems to be an incongruency with what she says and what she looks like.

At the same time I think both are probably as bad as each other. Depp clearly has issues and has historically had huge problems with drugs and alcohol. He hasn't come off in a good light here and some of the evidence against him has been rather unflattering.