Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

Amber Heard didn't have cuts or visible injuries to the medical professionals. For example, the alleged beating that involved the broken glass on her feet? 2 days after that specific incident, where she claimed the bottom of her feet were all cut, she was at a dance studio barefoot, dancing.

The incident in LA where he allegedly pulled out chunks of her hair? She called her nurse right after and the RN notes show that she checked Amber's scalp and didn't see any of the bruises or pus or anything at all.

Indeed, we as professionals have safeguarding duty. It's why safeguarding is one of the only reasons to trump GDPR.

It's always best practice to try and get the service user to engage in the report and assist with the safeguarding procedure.

However, many, many service users do not want to get services involved, but we as professionals have a duty above all else to report it to the relevant agency.

We can make independent referrals to police and other statutory agencies regardless.

If AH was on my caseload and she was disclosing this abuse to me, I'd have a duty to notify. Regardless, now it could be it ends at that, the police are aware and a marker is placed as AH would be unwilling to engage but she would still be discussed at MARAC meetings and professionals would still attempt to safeguard her. Same for JD, if he disclosed abuse, I'd have a responsibility to safeguard.

Yes agreed. But she said she started to see the signs and the signals he was going to flip out. Surely if it was linked to his drinking or drug taking she could have predicted it and set her phone.

Although if that was me and my husband I would make damn sure I got out of there the minute he started drinking or taking drugs or I saw one of the signs she's talking about before he started on me. But everyone is different and I know victims behave differently. She was not on her own though or isolated. Her friends all lived next door. She could have gone to any of them to get away.

It's odd how no one ever heard anything when he was trashing places and they were screaming at each other.

Why aren't any of her friends giving evidence? Why isn't she friends with them anymore?

Ooops sorry. Tagged the wrong post. That was for the post where someone said you wouldn't film yourself when being attacked

Placemarking.

It's ok to question why, during the 100's of hours of audio they recorded, not once a recording was ever made of him physically abusing her. Of course I'm not saying a victim should start recording during an actual physical fight but Amber would record arguments, disagreements and even normal conversations. How come not a single one of the recorded arguments/disagreements escalate to him hitting her? Or did she stop the recording before he hit her? They would both habitually record eachother and, you heard her testimony, he was (apparently) regularly beating her but not once was is ever recorded.

he was (apparently) regularly beating her but not once was is ever recorded

There should be photos showing extensive wounds and injuries based on her testimony. Where are they?!

I've just found the audio that proves Amber lied about the Australia incident. It's pretty clear that Johnny wasn't lying when he said she threw a bottle at him and it cut his finger off.

I have a family member with histrionic personality disorder. It's not officially diagnosed (it's not like the person would ever seek a diagnosis, is it!), But it's blindingly obvious. I still can't after years and years, though, work out for sure exactly how much they know what they say is a lie and what is fantasy, but I can say this personality disorder makes people do very vicious things when they think they are slighted or don't get their own way. There's something so petty and vicious about it, and it's scary because you get to the point of just never disagreeing with them over anything so you don't get to be a target of their weird campaign of lies, half truths, manipulation, etc. I get the impression they lie about everyone subtly too, to backpocket things, so people can be more easily targeted if needed.

This all sounds nuts, but I think posters who also have a family member like this would get what I'm saying in a heartbeat. Amber comes off to me exactly this way.

It seems so wrong to me that this trial is in the public domain. Just doesn't seem right on many levels. Not criticising anyone for watching though and I have watched bits of it but then have had to switch off. Find myself rooting for Amber for some reason - probably because she seems the underdog and is not performing as well as JD did. She's not as popular and charismatic and I'm wary of the popular and charismatic guy. No logic as such in my thoughts ...

I agree with this regarding it being in public domain. It's like almost for entertainment for everyone to gawk

She didn’t want it and he did; i do not understand why he wanted her to publicly repeat all these allegations.

Why would he bring this trial? So that he could clear his name..
I wasn’t a fan or knew much about JD before this trial started but I’ve been watching the trial live and have seen the majority of it.
The biggest thing that swayed me was the recording of when she hit him then mocked him for being upset about it, calling him a baby and to grow up like others have testified to hearing her say to him. She portrays a completely different character on the stand to one we’ve all heard.
His ex partner who was with him 3 times as long has backed up other reports he was the gentlest kindest man, and he was on drugs/drinking then. If her story hadn’t gone as far and said he lost his temper and hit her once in response to her taunting (not saying that would be right) I may have been swayed and may have believed it but her testimony on the events just seems so unbelievable.
In my personal opinion it looks like bad acting to me and I’m sorry I just don’t believe it and I’m horrified someone could make that up.

From 2016 to 2018 Amber repeatedly released and or sold pictures and stories and recordings to tabloids, newspapers and TMZ. Much of what we are hearing was already in the public domain because she put it there. But only the clips and pictures and stories she wanted to tell the story she wanted to tell.

Also Amber was dating Elon when the Sun story came out and the Murdochs who own the Sun are on Elon's Board of DIrectors. We also know Elon got her the lawyers for the Sun trial.

This youtuber started going through recorsings and court documents and photos years ago. He became more and more 'pro' Johnny as he went - and his videos definitely have that angle but he does have lots of good facts and pieces of evidence in his videos. Here is one just on the Australia fight.

reading about the photographs from earlier posted if by the end of the trial they cannot be reverted to original form the trial outcome will be irrelevant (if it’s not already) as she will be social media crucified even more. I’m concerned for both of them mentally and physically after the trial. I didn’t like her talking about his children as they are included in the NDA and there is no way Depp would put them on the witness stand so have little recourse.

I haven't been following this, but just watched this video:

I know it's not relevant to the defamation case in terms of what she's accused him of, but this behavior is at odds with the image he's putting across on the stand.

So did JD put any of that information out there (eg appeal or current deposition) or is it ‘research’ by YouTubers who have a vested interest in monetising their content? I’m interested genuinely in what the source is for the TMZ stuff - I don’t trust any edited YouTube videos.

Will Rocky be asked to testify? Supposedly she witnesses abuse

I have just been watching some of the deposition from 2020 which I hadn’t seen before.
There is a link to it here, her reactions are interesting but particularly from minute 7 onwards is a really good example of how she switches emotions and facial expressions at the drop of a hat. It’s almost like a ‘glitch in the matrix’ where she doesn’t know which emotion is appropriate. Either that or she finds hitting him amusing and/or views him as pathetic.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=XVL4Bn3uLxs

@BornBlonde
list here, assuming Rocky = Raquel it doesn’t look like it, just statement?
www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-def-witness-list-3-15-2022.pdf

there’s a later list of ones JD team object to but she’s not on it

After the psychologist spoke about Rocky, I’m assuming that as their was a physical altercation between Amber and Rocky she could damage more than support.

They both seem as bad as each other and together even worse.

will any more witnesses be called?

When does the trial resume, and when will it end?

When I watch the video clips Amber submits for evidence all I can think is how many hundreds of.hours did she secretly record, and that these are the 'worst' ones she chose to share? If that's the case, it harms rather than helps her case.

Rocky and Amber had a falling out and aren't friends anymore. Rocky lied througout her deposition in 2018 and I highly doubt Amber's side would want her to testify. She would be a terrible witness. There was also a story that Amber and Rocky got into a physical fight at one point. She was basically a hostile witness in the deposition tapes and I am sure would refuse to testify here so not a chance.