Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

[StormzyinaTCup]

Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

So are we only going to believe sexual violence victims if we have photos of brutalised vaginas?

I've seen a number of people take photos and videos of passed out/drunken partners which they then showed their partners the next day in the hope it would stop the behaviour. It could be that. Who knows really.

There does look to be bruising around her eye there.

So I was saying that the photos look bad - as in originally they looked like someone asleep and later they look like someone passed out after some kind of excess. As in, not a good look publicly. I wasn’t relating them directly to the abuse claims, just commenting as in I would be mortified to have them public.
but tbh if he gets so out of it he’s semi conscious he isn’t going to remember much in the first place.

If someone punches you repeatedly in the head I think you would be probably need to go to hospital?

There does look to be bruising around her eye there.

agreed

Obviously victims shouldn't not be believed just because they don't have photo evidence, however if ur going to take photos of around the time of these 'incidences'. Which are being explained as really brutal violence which injuries sound incredibly damaging to your body. Having no hospital appointments are ringing huge alarm bells! But thats another thing!
It makes no sense to take photos of ur abuser passed out/ asleep. Obvious reason would be u didn't have any damage to yourself. It would have been more believable having no photos. And the photos of her face she is wearing the same t shirt but I thought they were different times it happened, also very conveniently, her team refused to hand over metadata (which I think referres to the data to prove the date, if its been edited etc) they were judge/court ordered to last November, as depps team requested first , they refued so needed judge to make sure they did, but they refused and the judge is having to deal with that separately, it looks terrible, they may be given fine, hasnt been decided yet. a lawyer I followed explained . So that explains ALOT.

She said in court it was because he didn't believe her so she started photographing him to show him the state he was in

I think the fact she has repeatedly lied about things and has been shown to be unreliable in her various accounts calls everything else in to question sadly. I’m sure JD was an absolute arsehole but she has admitted to violence towards him on tape so the abuse is definitely both ways.

Didn’t they have private nurses to do triage etc, unlike the rest of us who rely on a&e?

Even if they do, There would still be some form of proof of medical visits / treatment

They do, but major injuries as we saw with JD needed hospital treatment. And even if AH had seen a private nurse for injuries they would be documented somewhere.

Or perhaps she never looked to get medical treatment.

Who knows. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't know what is going on, in the sense of whether JD is trying to bring her down with him, because he knows his career is compromised and he doesn't see why she should have stella success- and partly on the back of being a figurehead for women's rights against abusers.

They are clearly both in the wrong. The photographic evidence makes painful viewing. Drugs clearly destroy judgement and the lives of celebrities. But I think, instinctively, people don't blame him for having a go to make himself look better, when she has been bad to him too. Not for the career and money, but just to say "This is who I am, warts and all, but not a Jekyll and Hyde type of monster".

People to whom I've spoken think her facial expressions and mannerisms lack sincerity. I wonder if it would be fair to her to suggest that, if she has had Botox and other treatments which celebrities have, maybe she can't move her facial muscles and this is making her look unnatural.

The nurse has already been on stand via video and she repeatedly said she had no visable injuries and didnt give first aid, when asked at specific times when they 'incidences supposedly accured' . She also made detailed notes which does not mention apart from one cut lip but. I just re read one and states AH had addictions to cocaine and alcohol. Which is bizarre , considering AH talked a lot about hating cocaine

It's interesting u mention botox, that's a suggestion as to why she has the brusies , as people who have had botox does bruise and around them areas obviously depending on where the botox is applied .

Just a point on the photos, a Judge issued a court order that AH team were to hand over the metadata for her phone (as JD team did) so that dates/time/any editing can be checked and verified by a forensic phone analyst and her team were given a deadline of Nov 21 to hand this over to JD team (I think a previous poster referred to this towards the end of thread Part 1). I thought this had happened but it appears it didn't.

The upshot of this is that the judge will either apply, at the end of trial, a monetary fine to AH legal team or she will advise the jury via an 'instruction' that the photos put in as evidence cannot be verified as 'genuine' given the data that was requested under a court order was not provided. The jury is unlikely to look at this in any other way than negatively because if you have nothing to hide then why the reluctance to provide, especially given it was a court order. AH legal team have obviously decided it's a gamble they are prepared to take.

@StormzyinaTCup found the original - it does look like suspicious behaviour

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-plaintiff-mot-sanctions-3-22-2022.pdf

I did do my homework before posting as didn't want to post anything that may have been tweaked. It is a bit odd.

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-plaintiff-obj-def-witness-lst-3-29-2022.pdf

The site is fascinating - here’s Depp’s team objecting to a load of witnesses

It is very strange that Amber, who seemingly liked to document everything that Johnny Depp did wrong, never took photos or recordings of her own vicious beatings.

There was one instance during her testimony where she said he grabbed her arm and punched her repeatedly in the face and then showed a picture of a round bruise on her arm (which didn't look like the typical bruise from being grabbed which has finger marks but I'm no expert). In the background of this photo, you can see her face which doesn't have a single mark on it. It's impossible not to get a mark after being punched repeatedly in the face.

Also, her testimony about the Australia kidnap incident has a lot of holes in. She said her feet were cut to ribbons, she got cuts on her arms and she felt glass cutting her back when laying on the counter. Where's the bloody footprints? Where's the bloody sheets from when she went to sleep? Where's the medical report? I got one cut from glass on the side of my foot and it bled alot. I had to go to the hospital for treatment, antibiotics and dressings. I couldn't wear normal shoes for a few weeks. Is Amber saying her feet just healed overnight? My cut left a scar, where's her scars? Also, where was security and Ben King when this was going on (she never says). She also said she didn't call the police because there was no evidence but she's just said she's got all these injuries, there's glass everywhere, she's bleeding from her vagina which would indicate that she's cut internally but didn't call the police because there's no evidence? Make is make sense.

She also testified that Johnny Depp attacked her and punched her repeatedly in the face after the Met Gala on the 5th May 2014. These pictures were taken the very next day and, again, there's not a single mark on her face.

It’s very strict about what can be said or used - just seen she cant show the texts from his assistant. It feels like that’s quite unfair, especially if people won’t now testify to help.

What is she putting in her nose here? That's not how you blow your nose .. unless it is .. https://twitter.com/Nebuchoronus/status/1522302061521506305

Who cares? Just another thing to drag her for. Stick to her testimony not pot shots.

If people r not allowed to testify then there will be good reason they won't be, there will b a proper process, not just not allowed because depps team said no! Maybe also people don't want to testify for her because they don't want to perjure themselves? Think that's right word
I do find it fascinating ur inability to see the obvious