Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

Well it did to me so i guess that means there are different interpretations. I just don’t believe she meant ‘haha I’m going to keep abusing you and no one will ever know’ in some evil genius way.

It is no good looking at ""typicalities" and thinking you will get to the truth of a situation. There needs to be actual proof of their allegations. The texts are verifiable but hardly actionable. Bitching ABOUT somebody may be shaming but it isn't abusing them because it was concealed from them - it's venting.
They are both alleging physical abuse - and I think that it comes down to who can show medical records or verified photographic evidence. So far, as I understand it, he has some medical evidence. She has bupkis.

Im not at home today; does anyone know where I would be able to watch it in full before tomorrow? It would be day 2 of A testimony?

This is my position. At the moment it's he said she said with several people saying they didn't see anything that corroborates the accusations, so I'm going with he said at the moment on that basis.

Thank you. I found the bit I think they are claiming is lifted from Talented Mr Ripley. Amber Heard says ‘when I was around Johnny I felt like the most beautiful person in the world’. This is said at 35.04 mins

The Talented Mr Ripley speech I believe they are referring to is:

“ Marge Sherwood : The thing with Dickie... it's like the sun shines on you, and it's glorious. And then he forgets you and it's very, very cold.

Tom Ripley : So I'm learning.

Marge Sherwood : When you have his attention, you feel like you're the only person in the world, that's why everybody loves him so much.”

In my opinion saying ‘I felt like the only person in the world’ is a fairly generic phrase that people often say when describing how a person makes you feel and it is a stretch to say that short phrase shows she lifted a speech from Talented Mr Ripley.

I think people need to be mindful that DAVRO could be being used by both in this case.

It really does seem a bit tit for tat and toxic.

So each being both the abuser and the victim, can employ DAVRO.

It really is a he said, she said but then she said and he said situation in my opinion.

@ENoeuf I don’t think the trial runs on a Friday but you will be able to catch up on today (day 15) via You Tube. I have been watching it on Law & Crime channel via You Tube.

Also, there will be no trial next week as the judge has a prior commitment.

He said she said is why rape convictions are so low. Would you be happy for your daughter to bring this fuck up of a man home?

Thank you - it’s a lot easier to follow without being in clips on TikTok! I’ll try and find somewhere to watch it.

I wouldn't be happy with a child of mine bringing either home.

They are both "fucked up".

Fripp, I'd be more worried by him as he has more power over all

Thing is in criminal court you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt, and as such cases only have two parties with very different stories, it's very difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt. It's why we encourage women to go to the SARC immediately, so we can obtain evidence. But again it's not a nice experience and I can 100% see why women don't want to do it.

Women really are damned if they do and damned if they don't in such cases, and I agree it's completely unfair and wrong. But we can't change due process and our courts still need to prove beyond reasonable doubt to avoid false convictions. If all we needed was "woman stated it happened, therefore it must" that would be a dangerous area to go in to.

Oh and if my daughter or son brought a man like JD home, I'd 100% not be happy and I would pray and beg with all my might that my child saw sense! I don't believe either AH or JD are "wonderful" partners for anyone.

@ENoeuf
But although it clearly isn't the most noble behaviour by JD - however you look at it - if (big ifs) you accept his side of the story and that she is lying, manipulative and did hit him on many occasions, and shit in his bed, then ruin his career by a completely untrue Op Ed that made Disney withdraw his contract for Pirates, you would need to be a saint (which JD most definitely is not) to not feel satisfaction if she is finally being shown up for a liar and a bully.

And the gender of either seems totally irrelevant to that for me.

Clearly if you don't believe JD and/or if he is lying, then it does put a whole different slant on it.

So you wouldn't be that bothered that the women was physically abusing your DS because "power over all"?

That is really messed up.

You either think that DV/DA is wrong on all counts or don't bother.

@CorsicaDreaming i haven’t got involved in the gender discussions, im Well aware abuse can be both ways.
i think people should be respectful of the court process, witnesses, the judge and not play to the gallery, gurning away. Surely if he’s relieved he thinks he will win and she will be exposed he could look content and refrain from acting like a smirking kid? He’s a middle aged bloke whose terrible texts and substance abuse are also being revealed - why that’s funny I don’t know.

Flipping- I didn't say that at all, all dv is bad, but in this case, with two abusive people, he's the one with most power

But you are not taking about this case, you are hypothesizing that your DD would be worse off if she brought JD home than your DS would be if he brought AH home.

Both would be being abused.

Would you support AH over your DS because as a male he has more power?

No, but you are correct I would be more worried about my daughter being abused by a man than my son being abused by a woman, although I would rather no-one was abusing anyone.

Did AH just say she called the police several times a year? Yet there are no police records for that as far as I'm aware. There are a couple of call-outs but not how she said.

@ENoeuf - I'm at risk of sounding like a complete apologist for JD, which I'm not because I'd imagine he is pretty much as far from saint as you can get.

But laughing as a defence mechanism in awkward situations where someone is embarrassed but laughter is the absolutely wrong response is definitely something people do - and it seems they can't help themselves doing.

My DH does it sometimes- generally in the most excruciatingly inappropriate moments - and it has angered and upset me at times. And when later I ask him why, that's the reason why he does it.

So I'm not sure his laughter is necessarily him making light of things.

And I do believe JD attempted to move to different rooms to get away from AH (and his sister booked additional rooms to enable this on tours) and she would just follow him and prolong the arguments. Which I can understand if you are infuriated that someone won't deal with something and discuss it, but I cannot understand if you are truly terrified someone is going to be violent towards you. You'd not follow them.

I don’t disagree on the following him around stuff but I think his smirking isn’t coming across to me as inappropriate laughing - you’ve tried the he’s happy she’s being exposed, now it’s nervous laughter? Maybe he’s just an arsehole ?

Yep, she did just say that and nope, there’s been no record of those calls to substantiate it.

But he can be an arsehole.

The case isn't about if he is a saint or not, or if you'd want (your daughter) to go out with him, or if he is likeable or a misogynistic drug addict.

All he's got to prove is he is not a domestic abuser in as much as he didn't hit her. And that she is. In that she has hit him on multiple occasions, even if he tried to move rooms to avoid her. And that her libellous Op Ed has damaged his ability to earn a living by defaming him, which it did because Disney pulled Pirates immediately after it.

He can be a misogynistic, drug-abusing arsehole and still be entitled to win this libel case.

If you listen to longer versions of the audiotapes released there is. It seems JDs lawyers were rather selective in which bits they had heard. I heard him say he head butted her, another of her saying get away from me, another of him burning her with a cigarette and another of him talking about the blood bath on the island. Others of her saying he hit her and he does not deny it. Does that count as admitting? If someone accused me of that I would make Damn sure I denied it.

The psychologist for AH was pretty damning for JD. If to be believed it conveniently allows AH to have gaps in memory and confusion over the events.

After today I don't think it looks good for JD. I think AH will win. She was really selling it on the witness stand. She is very believable I think.

But it did seem scripted. No thinking about her words and answering off the cuff, no tears when she was meant to be distressed. What she was saying and the order she was saying was too in line with her solicitors questions, all in the same order of what she was going to ask.

Also- if you have been beaten up like she says you have bruises. How did no one see any bruises! It doesn't make sense. Unless all those people are lying.

It's all bizarre

I think you need to watch more. There are multiple times she is accusing him of physical and sexual violence. She is basically saying he beat her regularly as a matter of course. Particularly bad instances were in Hicksville, Bahamas and Australia and on the aeroplane.