Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

I’ve just looked into this on Twitter and I’m not seeing anything convincing. It just seems to be a load of amateur detectives working each other up into a frenzied pile-on of dubious and far-reaching connections and congratulating themselves on how very clever they are. I can’t imagine it standing up in court.

I don't understand why her speaking in quotes would mean she was never abused?

Something else I’m hoping to understand by following the trial, because I do genuinely really want to understand this;

Amber has stated that she had her nose broken and her ribs broken. But I have not yet seen presented any medical evidence to support that? Did she not seek medical attention for those injuries? She would have had to surely? She had her own nurse, but the nurse has never confirmed these injuries either.

She attended tv interviews in the days after she has stated her ribs were broken and can be seen moving easily and not showing signs of being in any discomfort. Neither does she appear to be under the effect of strong enough pain medication to mask that - it would surely effect her speech etc.

She has shown herself that she went to the effort of recording verbal exchanges and saved text messages. If her nose was broken, it would either still be visibly misshapen today (which it’s not) or she sought medical treatment to have it set/fixed, in which case why not present the evidence of that to support the statement that your nose was broken? It would be such an easy way to silence critics? If you are recording arguments, taking photos of breakfast tables etc, why is there no documentation of any kind, either medical reports or even photos she took herself, showing a broken nose and bruising from broke ribs?

I am watching the trial ready and open to whatever evidence either side put forward, but so far that evidence form her side has been significant in its absence. Perhaps that is still to come.

The comments on this bbc article on Facebook are depressing.

www.facebook.com/100064620046507/posts/372481881582477/?d=n

Think it's important to call out misinformation just sucks I'm the one who shared , but I mentioned the pinch of salt and was looking for the video to show and looks like it isn't there. Don't know rest of them

The direct quote from Talented Mr Ripley is not true not sure about others

The discourse on these threads is reminding me of the Jill Saward rape case, where her self-possession on the stand was taken as evidence that she was not traumatised and contributed to her rapists being given lenient sentences. People are scrutinising Heard's very demeanour for fault but, despite concrete evidence of abuse and extreme misogyny, Depp's superficial charm and humour and popularity are taken as evidence that he could never abuse a woman.

Like others, I don't find Amber Heard a sympathetic person (rich women exploiting poorer women as surrogates is a disgrace) but being an abuse victim can actually make someone unsympathetic. Abused women often withdraw into themselves and become quiet and unfriendly, or they go the other way and become hostile and defensive. The abuser just wants the status quo but the abuse victim is actually asking something of you; in this case that's Heard asking people to revise their opinion of a much-admired Hollywood star. No wonder women stay quiet about these things.

I think the issue here is the US system, the way the "coach" witnesses. There is a reason the UK don't do this.

The minute something is rehearsed it will always look rehearsed be it truth or a lie. People immediately recognise rehearsed and default to "if you had to practice it, it can't be the truth. The truth should just come out as is"

I genuinely think the US need to stop coaching witnesses it does them no favours.

I've taken the stand on many a case, I was neither briefed or coached by the CPS or any other legal party. I just sit there and answer the questions posed to me. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’ve see the quote around the film The Talented Mr Ripley which, if she has indeed quoted from that, is an ‘interesting’ choice of film to use. It would add weight to the diagnosis of BPD as opposed to PTSD.

Sorry I don’t understand. Are you saying those lines were not in the film? Thanks.

I'm saying the specific quote u said from Talented Mr Ripley cannot be found in AH testimony, so the twitter thread mentioned that quote and it cannot be found , there are others that was found and video showing just not that specific one

The specific quote I posted!

A lawyer mentioned on his video about the case , said it had Talented Mr Ripley vibes

This study has some interesting findings about male victims of partner abuse
journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/08862605211028014

Can you say which other specific quotes she’s used then if not the Talented Mr Ripley ones then because even on that Twitter thread you posted, it just seems to be ‘these words are giving off x film vibe’.

Is there anywhere to look at all the submitted evidence online and everyone's statements that have been submitted to the court?

I'm not sure 'vibes' is much to go on here

@Lazul1 in the USA you don't have to name someone for it to be defamation. It can be through implication also.

This just isn't true. I almost certainly broke my ribs recently but unless they are misplaced, theres nothing a hospital or doctor can do, so theres little point in attending. Sometimes these fractures don't show up on x ray anyway. I was able to move around with some pain but not enough to stop me moving around. I only suspect they were broken because they have taken nearly 6 weeks to heal.

Equally, of course you can break your nose but still have it remain straight or undamaged, as with any simple fracture.

Yup this - sorry haven’t read past at the moment. But absolutely I can imagine saying that sarcastically to my ex when he was accusing me of all sorts. I surprised more people aren’t able to see past it being a literal statement.

Apparently her testimony isn’t even her own words?!

is this what she actually said?

The author of that video hasn’t provided any evidence to back up the claim he’s making. There’s a lot of misinformation flying around.

I can’t believe the amount of shit being produced to discredit this woman. Isn’t the evidence in court enough, and if this YouTuber is so keen on justice they should be sending their evidence to the court.

I've said my current partner paying me attention feels like the sun shining on me and I never realised it was from a film I watched a long time ago!
Honestly, cut her some slack. It's not a strange unique turn of phrase

When I heard the tape it wasn't said in a sarcastic way