Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

Why should AH have to tiptoe around highlighting abuse she has suffered? Have you actually read the article? She mostly talks about abuse she experienced before she reached college age, and how victims of sexual violence are treated in wider society. She doesn’t name him.

She is abuser. That can no longer be denied,

I feel like this is just becoming received wisdom based on edited tapes. She hasn’t ever been charged or found guilty in a civil or criminal court.

My prediction of the outcome is that neither party will be awarded damages, Depp will have to pay 90% of Herd's costs. He will then make a grand announcement that he will instead pay the 90% to a domestic abuse charity while wasting yet more money appealing against the award of costs, go bankrupt, live off friends' generosity for a while, make a few lower budget films which bomb and gradually become more degenerate, while he and most of the internet blame it on Herd.

Herd will likely go bankrupt too, move back to Aus, marry someone with wealth and live a fairly nice if somewhat disruptive, troubled life.

Alternatively, there may be a small award of damages in favour of Herd as well as costs, since her team didn't raise the action, there was clearly truth in the op ed statement she made and her team tried to close it down at an early stage to avoid further costs/damage to reputation. Depp refuses to pay any of the damages and tries to appeal.

Either way, Depp goes bankrupt, Herd gets no money.

She says in one of the tapes and I'm not saying exact quote because like u said they were edited however its very difficult to mean this any other way!
" tell the world johnny that I johnny depp is a domestic abuse victim and see who will belive u, take it to court and see if jury belives u or something like that"
How on earth is that a victim saying that? How can anyone listen to that and think he must be an abuser and she must be a victim?

I feel like this is just becoming received wisdom based on edited tapes. She hasn’t ever been charged or found guilty in a civil or criminal court.

It doesn't even matter for the purposes of this case. She can be (and to my mind was) both.

As for his earnings and lost opportunities, his own behaviour has had a huge impact and he needs to take responsibility for that. With those texts out in the public domain, if I were Disney I'd never want anything to do with him again. Less high profile studios might be more forgiving, but then again might not.

How on earth is that a victim saying that?

Plenty of perpetrators of abuse try to make their victims believe they are the abusive, crazy and unreasonable ones. I can think of all kinds of contexts where a victim would say that in response. It’s called DARVO - deny abuse, reverse victim and offender.

As this ties in with the subject of money and/or eventual damages, I've read that the remainder(s) of the pledged donation money cannot be donated because, if you go bankrupt in the US in the process of paying damages, as she may if she loses, the fact of having donated money in a time period before losing, could be seen as deprivation of assets and considered a criminal offence. We will see.

I think the main issue is if u belive she is lying what ur saying is a woman would make lie about such awful awful things to totally destroy a man. I just keep going back to that. Do we belive a person could do that? I mean I know I has happened but it's an awful thought.

And yes I belive she has done that and it's awful.

Yes women will lie to destroy men and women will lie to destroy women and men will lie to destroy women and men will lie to destroy men.

There is nothing about being a woman that makes one virtuous and honest.

Yes I realise after the pronunes don't matter either way but its still relevant, I've been reading twitter (yes I know its the devil!) It's fascinating the references to movies and quotes she uses in her testimony, I'll link if anyone is interested

mobile.twitter.com/ChristinaPykles/status/1522052647385059329

It's not even what "johhny" could have said to her so she is just quoting from him as in he's the one who got the quotes , it's also what she said in response to the abuse , fascinating stuff

mobile.twitter.com/Kay_2405/status/1522096630924730368

This is another one

Someone who incorporates phrases they’ve had to say a hundred times over into their vocabulary shocker.

Most normal people wouldn't use quotes from films in a court case. They'd be able to use their own words. Things like this don't help her to show she is not acting, if she isn't acting that is.

What does that mean? These aren't quotes from her own movies.

"The thing with Johnny...it's like the sun shines on you, and it's glorious."

Snippet from The Talented Mr Ripley - 1999

that's hardly a common way of saying, She liked him! I mean if she is truly acting , I guess using quotes isn't surprising ! she clearly needs help whatever the outcome! * *
and that's just one of many * *

Thought-out her testimony she is shown to be quoting different movie quotes from all different movies , there are lists and the examples!

Yes I do. A very bitter person could easily do that.

Apologies, I misunderstood.

I do think it’s reaching though. Lots of people incorporate things from film and TV into their vocabulary - you just have to listen to the language that is popular among young people. It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re being disingenuous when they say them.

@Lazul1 one or two phrases perhaps, not many like this. Her whole speech about Johnny was lifted from The Talented Mr Riply. She couldn't have described him in any other words than to use the exact same words and sentences as the film? I hope his lawyers have picked up on it because I'd be bringing it up if I was them.

@Newrunner29

I came to highlight the exact thing but you beat me to it. I’ve been watching the trial live to try and be as unbiased and open as possible, to judge for me myself based on what they say directly and the evidence presented.

If nothing else, she does not help her credibility by using whole passages from movies and TV as if they are her own words and thoughts. If she’d said ‘it’s like that line from…’, then fine. But she is not doing that. She is speaking as if these are her thoughts, her feelings, and they are not. They are lines from movies etc, that she has seen at some point and is now using in her testimony in a first person narrative way, for reasons that are unclear.

It strikes me as an odd thing to do when you are giving evidence in a trial and you know (or should know) your words will be scrutinised.

This isn't language this is specific quotes! There is a very clear difference, i could agree with lanuage, obviously it's on twitter so we so need to take with slight pince of salt. I was wondering how the people who belive her, would explain this

This is anecdotal. But there are one HELL of a lot of anecdotes testifying to its truth, most notably accompanied by the #MeToo hashtag.

Society, in general, is FAR more comfortable with the idea that women are liars than that men are abusers. I reiterate: that's in general. I have first-hand experience of precisely this. 'Believe women' is, I can assure you, not a thing. Nor should it necessarily be so: 'take what they say seriously and treat it accordingly unless they give you good reason to believe otherwise' is a more sensible response. But there's a reason why victims fail to come forward because they (with good reason) expect not to be believed. That reason is outlined, highlighted, above.

Then there is all the protestation that 'a false accusation can ruin a man's life'. There is rarely an accompanying acknowledgement that rape frequently does ruin a woman's life: women being overwhelmingly the primary victims of this crime. Statistically, soberingly, a woman is far more likely to rape than to make a malicious allegation of rape solely with the intention of ruining someone. Granted, it happens, and when it does it's an evil act which does all victims a huge disservice and is actively harmful to all women.

#MenToo is tantamount to #AllLivesMatter. It flies in the face of the material reality. If the statement #AllLives matter is racist, what does that make #MenToo?

Apologies. 'A woman is far more likely to be a victim of rape.

Depp and Heard have clearly been coached heavily on how to respond and build 'narrative'. To an unnatural, flowery extent sometimes. It's annoying and counterproductive to me, but I guess, at least they now both have done it. Perhaps Heard will tone it down in the time she has left.

BTW, as a 'source', the 'stans of twitter have been wrong before 😂. Let an analysis of her speech patterns make it's way to the court via the claimants reps. They both laid it on thick in parts.