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Part 2 -AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain

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StormzyinaTCup · 30/04/2022 19:14

Just thought I would start a follow on thread for anyone interested in the trial. I have kept it in AIBU so that it is easier for previous posters from Part 1 to find.
We are halfway through and have heard JD's testimony so next week we will hear from AH.

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Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 22:54

ShammyJammy · 03/05/2022 22:50

Agree.

Neither one of them looks good through this but I think AH looks far worse as a human being.

Why worse as a human being?
She didn't ask for this

Boulshired · 03/05/2022 22:55

The uk case will be interesting when Amber gets to stand. I think that’s why the PTSD is so important as her under oath testimony has quite a few flaws now.

MrsH1983 · 03/05/2022 22:55

@Flaxmeadow she may be the victim of DV but she's also the perpetrator. She is an abusive person. I'm not saying JD isn't but there seems to be more evidence stacked against her. You're right, some people can use the legal system to further abuse but not in all cases. If I was in his position and I genuinely did not do what she is claiming then yes I would also be taking her to court. It's the principle of it

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/05/2022 22:56

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 22:54

Why worse as a human being?
She didn't ask for this

Was Depp asking to be abused then? Was it ok she was only hitting him not punching him? Was he being a big baby after she didnt deck him right?

Boulshired · 03/05/2022 22:58

They have a NDA so court is the only way he has a voice.

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 22:58

Why are people so quick to believe him but not her?

Boulshired · 03/05/2022 23:02

I don’t fully believe either but I know that she is a liar.

ThrowawayBerna · 03/05/2022 23:03

The 'real personal ratings' for Dr. Dawn Hughes have disappeared as of 20 minutes ago, afaik.

For the people dismayed that the Dr. referred to notes or had reports, these were handed over to be copied off to the plaintiff's lawyers at the end of court. I've yet to see that this is atypical. I'm an hour in and waiting for the 'gender-bias', but then I'm familiar with the DV murder and hospitalisation stats and theres no way to sugar-coat that.

I disagree about the plaintiff's witnesses sticking to the questions. Dr. Curry would be a case in point. I respected her, but not after I felt she showed her bias under cross. It will be interesting to see Dr. Hughes tomorrow. If she concedes points against her client.

Between all the experts seen and due to be see, hopefully the jury can absorb both case narratives, but pry out a truth they can adjudicate on.

MrsH1983 · 03/05/2022 23:03

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 22:58

Why are people so quick to believe him but not her?

For me personally, having experienced DV, she ticks the boxes for the perpetrator of the physical violence. He's no angel but I do believe she was the aggressor from what I have seen.

StormzyinaTCup · 03/05/2022 23:04

The laughing is his baseline. He does it when he's uncomfortable

I must admit some of the carry ons have had the whole court giggling but there have been occasions where JD smiling has seemed a bit disrespectful and 'off' but some of it has tied in with particularly accusatory moments so I do think, as pp said, it's his baseline. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one as his ex wife's main witness, who may as well have had 'I hate men' emblazoned across her chest is standing right in front of him and she has just been caught 'cheating'. I'd be having a chuckle about that myself too tbh.

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Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:06

...when he was on the stand, wtaf was going on there? Is this really about his hatred of his mother, about him punishing his mother via another woman? What are we supposed to think by it?. Why was he even allowed to ramble on about all that anyway?
Roll up roll up, it's the Johnny show folks. Is that it?

ENoeuf · 03/05/2022 23:07

StormzyinaTCup · 03/05/2022 23:04

The laughing is his baseline. He does it when he's uncomfortable

I must admit some of the carry ons have had the whole court giggling but there have been occasions where JD smiling has seemed a bit disrespectful and 'off' but some of it has tied in with particularly accusatory moments so I do think, as pp said, it's his baseline. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one as his ex wife's main witness, who may as well have had 'I hate men' emblazoned across her chest is standing right in front of him and she has just been caught 'cheating'. I'd be having a chuckle about that myself too tbh.

It’s just a guess he laughs when uncomfortable / the pp can’t know that. Just like my guess is he’s arrogant and a bit of an arsehole.

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:09

Boulshired · 03/05/2022 23:02

I don’t fully believe either but I know that she is a liar.

The court in London didn't think she was a liar, based on the evidence

StormzyinaTCup · 03/05/2022 23:11

It’s just a guess he laughs when uncomfortable / the pp can’t know that. Just like my guess is he’s arrogant and a bit of an arsehole.

Of course just my guess and yes absolutely your guess could be the correct one.

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MrsH1983 · 03/05/2022 23:12

This is where I got the baseline thing from. Quite interesting

StormzyinaTCup · 03/05/2022 23:13

Thanks @MrsH1983 - I'll take a look.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/05/2022 23:13

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:09

The court in London didn't think she was a liar, based on the evidence

Is that the court case where she was giving 7 mill to charity and then didnt?

MrsH1983 · 03/05/2022 23:15

@Flaxmeadow I am only partway through reading the London judgment but I have always been against the idea of 1 judge deciding such things. I like the American system of using a jury. The UK judicial system is flawed, many many cases contradicting each other and within law, you can reason one way to make it go in AH favour or you can reason another way which would make it go in JDs favour. The law is so complex and from what I have personally witnessed and researched, they don't always get it right.

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:15

He isn't uncomfortable though is he. He might as well have his feet up the table

Boulshired · 03/05/2022 23:16

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:09

The court in London didn't think she was a liar, based on the evidence

The court in London when she told them she “had” donated all the money. I’m sorry if someone can use charities to make themselves look good it leads to the question what else would she lie to.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 03/05/2022 23:19

And I totally agree, she basically accused someone of rape and sexual assault based on the word of a woman who has actually been caught out in lies.

No, of course she didn't. I was watching. She told the court what Heard had reported to her during treatment, detailed the parameters/variables/analytical practices she consulted to carry out the evaluations on Heard and what research she was basing these on, and reported on her apparent psychological condition at the times she'd reported the various events to her as her therapist.

She was a godawful witness, IMO, and seemed to be far too invested in what should be a detached, matter-of-fact, professional relationship, but she isn't as stupid as all that.

I was formerly of the view that Depp would almost certainly lose this case. Libel trials are notoriously difficult to win, and a UK court found decisively in favour of the Sun, accepting 12 serious counts of domestic abuse against Heard. The Judgement is considered and persuasive (thanks to the PP who posted that on the last thread).

But right now, Depp's team have scored at least one major hit, which is to cast doubt on her credibility on the stand. She's proven to have lied about the donations and that could be very damning. Also, based on today's performance neither her first witness nor her legal team have done her any favours whatsoever.

The bias playing out in people's responses to this case seems to be very firmly weighted on the sex of the perpetrator. I remain just as firmly convinced that both parties in this case are abusive horrors. But what was said on that stand today was harrowing. If Depp is really guilty of even a fraction of what was detailed there, he's a psychopathic sadist. If Heard is lying about any of it, she's a monster and a serious impediment to vulnerable women needing to seek justice for their abuse.

Me? I don't know which is the case. But the reputation of both seems pretty firmly secured in the gutter for posterity. What an ugly, ugly spectacle.

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:21

America's systems of law are better than than here? Oh please do give over

What was the point of the stories about his mother? Why was he given free reign to talk about it for so long, what seemed like a whole afternoon? What had it to do with AH

MrsH1983 · 03/05/2022 23:23

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:21

America's systems of law are better than than here? Oh please do give over

What was the point of the stories about his mother? Why was he given free reign to talk about it for so long, what seemed like a whole afternoon? What had it to do with AH

The system of using the jury for the decisions as opposed to 1 judge is better than the UK is what I said.

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:24

Vincent Price couldn't have put on a better act than this leading a witch hunt

Flaxmeadow · 03/05/2022 23:25

Yeah we have jury's here too btw

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