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To remind you that Rainbows, Brownies and Guides are mixed sex?

139 replies

KatieAlcock · 29/04/2022 08:55

I have settled my case with Girlguiding and I may now take my daughter to Brownies, but it's been a long hard slog.
If you have a daughter in Guiding, you do have the right to ask for single sex accommodation for her. In fact, I'd say if you don't, it's a bit worrying.
If you are a leader, you can also say you will only share a room with a female.
Parents and leaders should get decent clear communications about what they are letting themselves in for and their rights, but we shall see if that transpires.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10765045/I-outcast-shunned-like-criminal-just-wanting-Girl-Guides-safe.html

OP posts:
siestaingsnake · 05/05/2022 20:46

I think we need Scouting to come towards Guiding in terms of some paperwork etc and Guiding needs to go towards Scouting in terms of being spontanious app etc. they can learn much from each other

Beamur · 05/05/2022 21:15

what I want to know is why the poster felt the need to come here and post. Thats just looking for comments

Is this aimed at me siestaingsnake or the OP?

Don't you approve of discussion on a public forum?

DockOTheBay · 05/05/2022 22:00

siestaingsnake · 05/05/2022 20:46

I think we need Scouting to come towards Guiding in terms of some paperwork etc and Guiding needs to go towards Scouting in terms of being spontanious app etc. they can learn much from each other

What is "spontanious app"?

siestaingsnake · 06/05/2022 10:30

DockOTheBay · 05/05/2022 22:00

What is "spontanious app"?

oops missed a comma spontanious, app et

I'm as entitled to my opinion as everyone else.

siestaingsnake · 06/05/2022 10:34

Beamur · 05/05/2022 21:15

what I want to know is why the poster felt the need to come here and post. Thats just looking for comments

Is this aimed at me siestaingsnake or the OP?

Don't you approve of discussion on a public forum?

silly me I forgot I usually come on here to laugh at the outraged and commented an opinion

Beamur · 06/05/2022 10:46

If people weren't commenting you wouldn't have anything to laugh at...

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/05/2022 10:46

I think it was you that was 'outraged', wasn't it? what I want to know is why the poster felt the need to come here and post. Thats just looking for comments

Unless of course 'outraged' wasn't the word you were looking for?

And I still don't understand the "spontaneous app etc" with or without the comma. What app?

Beamur · 06/05/2022 10:48

Feel free to comment, it's a public forum. But if you have a question, ask it, don't just take a position mocking people who do want to discuss issues that are important to them.

jeaux90 · 06/05/2022 10:56

@Howeverbut

Why? Single sex schools are statistically proven to achieve better results for girls. And whilst sexual assault cases are high in mixed secondary schools (including 500 reported rapes over that specific persons of reporting) I will not have my DD in one.

Single sex spaces, services and sports are really important especially for female children.

KatieAlcock · 06/05/2022 14:34

@jeaux90 unfortunately many areas don't have single sex secondary schools, making Guiding even more important.
I am heartened by organisations such as the Girls' Day School Trust coming out in favour of single sex status but as far as I can see there has been no clarification so far from Girlguiding.

OP posts:
jeaux90 · 06/05/2022 14:46

@KatieAlcock totally agree. I pulled my DD out of the organisation after your case hit the news. Absolutely appalling.

She started at Scouts then (dropped during the pandemic) but I don't think the safeguarding policy is any better.

WifeMotherWorkRepeat · 06/05/2022 15:27

Congratulations Katie and thank you so much for pursuing this for the safety of our daughters. Sending you my huge thanks, respect and appreciation 💐

NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 06/05/2022 17:40

MissCrowley · 29/04/2022 09:01

I don't see what the issue is. I'm really sorry but I don't. Scouts have been mixed sex for ages. Obviously asking to have female/ male spaces to change, sleep etc is within our rights.
I'm a girl guiding leader myself. You can't have one rule for Scouts and demand that they allow females in and not reciprocate. It's all or nothing.
Got my flame proofed vest on as I know full well my opinion will not be a popular one.
And before anyone starts throwing around the child sexual abuse card and saying "You have no idea" then please don't bother. I've been there and unfortunately got that t-shirt.
Percentage wise there's more chance of sexual abuse happening within the family members rather than an outside source.

We go through rigorous safe guard training- 4 levels in fact to ensure our young people are kept safe and well during their time with us.

I quite agree with you.

StageRage · 06/05/2022 17:44

MissCrowley · 29/04/2022 09:01

I don't see what the issue is. I'm really sorry but I don't. Scouts have been mixed sex for ages. Obviously asking to have female/ male spaces to change, sleep etc is within our rights.
I'm a girl guiding leader myself. You can't have one rule for Scouts and demand that they allow females in and not reciprocate. It's all or nothing.
Got my flame proofed vest on as I know full well my opinion will not be a popular one.
And before anyone starts throwing around the child sexual abuse card and saying "You have no idea" then please don't bother. I've been there and unfortunately got that t-shirt.
Percentage wise there's more chance of sexual abuse happening within the family members rather than an outside source.

We go through rigorous safe guard training- 4 levels in fact to ensure our young people are kept safe and well during their time with us.

You have missed the point.

The issue is that the Guiding association was following Trans Girls are Girls and not safeguarding between biological sexes.

My Dc were in a fantastic mixed scouts group and went on many expeditions, and never ever did different sexes share a tent or dorm.

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