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To report my friend for pet neglect?

110 replies

loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:04

Please don’t be rude in responses. I feel
awdul enough as it is but I just couldn’t take any more.
I have known my friend for approx 13 years, and in that time she has owned many animals (cats and dogs mostly, but there have also been hamsters and Guinea pigs, now a tortoise!)
At present she owns 3 cats, a chihuahua and the aforementioned tortoise. She lives in a 1 bed housing association flat where I know for a fact she is not allowed to keep these animals as per their rules. But in her last two residences, she ignored that then, too! Not only that, but I am sorry to say she is absolutely hopeless at looking after these animals.
She lives with her partner and their 1 year old daughter (whom I feel awful saying she is not exactly capable of caring for her either; her partner does quite literally everything, and their child is out of control. But that’s another issue. Social Services are already involved there.)
In regards to these animals, she:


  • Leaves them unattended for 2-4 days at a time whilst they (she, her partner and their daughter) go off to stay with friends. This is AT LEAST once a week. When I asked who is looking after the animals in that time, she said “no one.” Like me asking was a stupid question!? I asked “well do you come back to feed them?” And again she said no; she leaves a bowl of biscuits down for them, and a bowl of water. Yes, to last them for 2-4 days! I actually had to double check this with her myself as I couldn’t believe what I was hearing! But no, she has confirmed this to be the case.

  • She has a carer/personal assistant from a care agency who comes in to help her out with some things, and this lady has complained to Social Services before that dog and cat faeces were on the floor!? Near the child? (I did not witness this, but I do not see why this woman would risk her job fabricating this!)

  • She only feeds them biscuits and no meat because she can’t afford it. She’s admitted to being in debt.

  • The tortoise does not have a proper vivarium.

  • The dog is not walked at all (but apparently this isn’t neglect?! Yet it gets little to no exercise so I fail to see how it isn’t neglect?)

  • The dog is not properly trained, and was bought from a shady seller as a one year old dog.

  • She has had to be forced to rehome pets before due to lack of care, and also not being allowed to keep them in the property. Yet she insists on buying more and more! She says she wants pets, but as I have pointed out, they are a huge responsibility, and just because you WANT a pet, doesn’t mean you would be a good owner.

I feel awful but the last straw came when she once again decided to bugger off for days at a time and leave these animals unattended for 4 days around Easter, whilst she went off gallivanting with other friends. According to her neighbours, the dog barked, whined and scratched the doors all day long, every day. And they commented on how they could smell the stench from passing by her doorway after just one day!
We reported her to the RSPCA, and her neighbours reported her to the HA. I am not yet sure of the outcome, but she knows she has been reported. She’s saying that the RSPCA won’t tell her who it was, but they have real cause for concern, especially as they have been called on her numerous times before and she’s been forced to rehome pets many times before.
She’s angry and upset, claims that she’s not a bad pet owner at all, and people are trying to ruin her life.
I have distanced myself from her, and have not told her it was me as she will definitely fly off the handle, and unfortunately she’s one of those people who knows some quite unsavoury characters, shall we say?
She’s already making threats against the neighbours.
I feel wracked with guilt and questioning whether or not I did do the right thing after all? I am not a coward, but she really will make my life hell if I own up. But I just could not sit back and hear about those poor animals being neglected anymore.
She seems completely deluded that it isn’t neglect? Or am I the delusional one here?
I feel like a terrible friend but those animals were clearly suffering.
Was I completely unreasonable in reporting her?

Again, I ask that you please don’t be rude to me in the replies. This is a genuine question because I’m really struggling with my conscience over this.
Thank you for reading. X

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loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:05

Oh god, apologies for all the typos!

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malificent7 · 25/04/2022 06:08

This is so hard. I probably would report. I don't think I could be friends with someone like this.

heldinadream · 25/04/2022 06:09

YANBU to report her. YABVVVU to have left it for 13 years.
She needs to be banned from owning animals.

savedbyanalien · 25/04/2022 06:09

You 100% did the right thing. Sounds like she shouldn't be keeping animals at all. I hope she's banned for life from owning a pet in the future.

Hesma · 25/04/2022 06:10

I’d definitely report this

Penguinevere · 25/04/2022 06:14

You did the right thing, don’t worry.

loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:14

I didn’t actually know about just how neglectful she was of her pets prior to this last year. Otherwise I would have reported her years ago. She kept me away from her previous homes and would only meet up with me at my place or in public, and now I know that the reasoning for that was because she wasn’t allowed pets in the homes in the first place! I found out through other former friends of hers who did know and did report her. Please don’t assume that I just let this slide for 13 years! She acted incredibly shifty about letting people come over to her homes in the past. Trust me, had I known, I’d have reported years ago! :(

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Hallmark1234 · 25/04/2022 06:15

YANBU. I would report her in a heartbeat and live with the consequences, as I'd rather that than live with knowing I did nothing to at least try to end those poor animals suffering. I have a voice, they don't.

OhRiRi · 25/04/2022 06:17

I'd report, and keep reporting if necessary, every time she goes away. Sounds like the animals need to be removed and she needs a ban on keeping pets

loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:19

It sounds awful of me to say but I hope she is banned too. I’m kind of surprised that she hasn’t been already?!
Or perhaps she has, and ignored that, too?
I don’t know for certain. Things only came to light this past year. And I only found out about her “previous” when former friends told me about it, and I’d ask her and she’d vent about it and say how unfair it was, and how these people are trying to ruin her life. She really did make it sound like our mutual friends were out to get her, but now it turns out it was true all along! :( This whole thing has made me realise how completely manipulative she is and how she’s made others out to be the villain, when I really don’t think anymore that they were…

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LoveSpringDaffs · 25/04/2022 06:20

I'd report this behaviour too

Username20000 · 25/04/2022 06:22

I would have reported this the first time I saw an animal suffer. You are well aware of the neglect these animals are suffering and buy the sound of it what her previous pets have had to go through. I am at a loss of what struggle your having with your conscience.

loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:24

Agreed. They don’t have a voice.
I already made the report… I just worry for mine and my partner’s and children’s safety now!
She is absolutely the type to get others to do her bidding for her and be vengeful…
as I type this, I’m starting to realise just how blind I have been to her all this time. I just feel so stupid. Those poor animals…
I also worry for her child who is 1, very nearly 2. But that’s a whole different topic and I know that SS are already involved there.

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loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:27

Actually I was not aware for all of this time… I have already answered this further up. Please refer to this response I posted earlier:

I didn’t actually know about just how neglectful she was of her pets prior to this last year. Otherwise I would have reported her years ago. She kept me away from her previous homes and would only meet up with me at my place or in public, and now I know that the reasoning for that was because she wasn’t allowed pets in the homes in the first place! I found out through other former friends of hers who did know and did report her. Please don’t assume that I just let this slide for 13 years! She acted incredibly shifty about letting people come over to her homes in the past. Trust me, had I known, I’d have reported years ago! :(

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SarahSissions · 25/04/2022 06:29

I’d report it- the more evidence the better- but primarily for them being left unattended for so long. If the dog is barking it might be worth the neighbours reporting that too-mainly because is the RSPCA lack evidence the council may be able to push for at least the dog to be removed.
i think though there are some issues in there that are worse than others- I know plenty of people who only feed kibble as a complete food and rarely top up with meat or treats. I also see lots of untrained little dogs where their owners just pick them up when they get lairy

WilmaFlintstone1 · 25/04/2022 06:29

Yes report this, she needs proper guidance about appropriate pet care. Don’t know how big the tortoise is but he may not need a vivariums, he does however need access to a basking light and calcium for his shell. He will die eventually without it.

it needs someone who is used to assessing animals to go in and monitor the situation,

TheLadyofShalott1 · 25/04/2022 06:30

If all, or indeed any of this is true, then YANBU, but as a PP said, I am afraid that UABVVVU for waiting this long before reporting it. However, I can imagine that having to report a friend must be very hard.

But I am struggling to see how this can be true at all OP. Surely if she has had pets taken off her before then the useless RSPCA would have taken her to court and she would have had a lifetime ban against having pets? The same with the HA, if they know she has broken the rules about keeping pets before, surely they would do spot checks now?

But above all of that, if the SS are involved because of the baby, they must have visited the flat, and seen all of the animals, and probably witnessed the pets faeces? The SS would then be in contact with the HA, and the baby taken off her until they were sure that she lives in a reasonably hygenic environment, and knows how to look after a baby and raise a child? Does your friend have any mental health issues OP?

groovergirl · 25/04/2022 06:33

You definitely did the right thing. These animals need to be found new homes. This situation must be so stressful for them, not to mention filthy and dangerous for the toddler.

Just because she's your friend doesn't mean you're obliged to cover up for her. I hope she does get banned from owning pets.

loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:33

It is true unfortunately. It is sadly very very true. I am not that sick as to make something like this up. It’s not at all funny.
And again, I did not actually know about the neglect for certain, for all of these years. I have already addressed this twice now. Please see my response that I’ve already posted, below here:

I didn’t actually know about just how neglectful she was of her pets prior to this last year. Otherwise I would have reported her years ago. She kept me away from her previous homes and would only meet up with me at my place or in public, and now I know that the reasoning for that was because she wasn’t allowed pets in the homes in the first place! I found out through other former friends of hers who did know and did report her. Please don’t assume that I just let this slide for 13 years! She acted incredibly shifty about letting people come over to her homes in the past. Trust me, had I known, I’d have reported years ago! :(

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Emelene · 25/04/2022 06:34

You’ve done the right thing OP. Do you have specific concerns about the child too? I know you said SS are already involved but is there anything they need to know from you?

loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:36

I agree with you completely.
I don’t know the outcome yet, and I don’t know the situation with SS and HA, she doesn’t go into detail about it with anyone. Just claims that everyone is a liar out to ruin her life, and that she’s done nothing wrong.
I really don’t know what’s going on, but I have chosen to distance myself from her from now on. If I had known the extent before, I would’ve said something a long time ago!
I wish I could comment on the other situations but I genuinely don’t know what’s going on. And now I doubt I will

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TheLadyofShalott1 · 25/04/2022 06:37

Many apologies OP, for some reason I didn't see any comments past @savedbyanalien at 06.09 this morning! I am pleased to see that you did report the neglect once you were aware of it. Sorry again 💐

loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:48

Hmmm in regards to her daughter, I’m not sure if they are valid concerns. She doesn’t really go into much detail about her child, probably because she knows if she does, it might come out that she’s done something wrong there, too? But this is just speculation. A few things I do know are mostly to do with her daughter’s behaviour around bedtime. She will stand up in her cot and scream blue murder until the small hours of the morning, refuse to go to sleep etc, and as far as I know ;from what friend has told me), is that she doesn’t actually bother to try and find out what is bothering her. She just lets her stay awake until all hours, playing up and screaming!? Apparently she’s doing the cry it out method? But this screaming isn’t CRYING screaming, it’s “let me out to play” screaming it would awwm?! Screams of defiance? I’ve heard her when she’s called me at ridicule times of the night for a chat (!!!), and her daughter will be up making lots of noise, screaming for attention I think, and banging against the bars or her cot, or shaking it? Friend just thinks it’s funny and laughs, doesn’t say anything or do anything to stop it? But then again I’m not sure if that could be raised as a genuine concern? If I mentioned that, I’d probably be asked “so what?”, surely?
My children have never acted this way at bedtime; and have always gone down without too much fuss, and if they do wake and cry, of course we tend to them and put them back to sleep.
I really don’t know if I have a right to be concerned about her child acting that way at bedtime or if it is “normal” for some children’?

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loveoflavender · 25/04/2022 06:49

No worries! I wish I had known sooner then I could have done something sooner.
That is also where a lot of my guilt lies.

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ImplementingTheDennisSystem · 25/04/2022 06:50

Personally I couldn't leave a dog in that situation. I'd steal it and say it had gone missing.
Horrendous. I hope she's banned from keeping pets for life.