AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

They are just a wealthy Hollywood version of the council estate couple who all the neighbours having a screaming match every other night and the bloke climbing on the roof and refusing to come down when the police are called

Both as bad as each other.

No but you do lose some credibility if you lie

Its not necessarily relevant to the question in hand however. All that needs to be established in this trial is that he has been physically violent. That wouldn't come down to simply her word anyway and he's already provided lots of contextual evidence via his own words and actions.

I think they're both a toxic mess, but the behaviour from Johnny Depp is less surprising. His friendship with Hunter S Thompson and their activities was well documented.
I knew nothing of Amber Heard before the court cases, I'm not even sure that I've seen any of her movies.
My thoughts of Amber Heard were starting off from a clean slate so it's surprising. For Johnny the bar was already very low so it's despicable behaviour being built upon.
I don't think either of them can be excused, nor should people be picking sides.

Exactly.

Why do people find this so difficult to grasp?

Its misogyny pure and simple.

It disgusts me so many women are overlooking his proven abuse.

Having survived DA I am more leaning towards sympathy for AH to be honest. She’s been subject to a massive smear campaign, she’s younger and inexperienced and probably didn’t expect him to be someone with such significant drink and drug issues. I didn’t realise until I was entrenched . I’m not sure recording him is an issue, and his behaviour slamming and swearing is abhorrent. His assistants texts are quite telling.

Because people think they know Johnny Depp from his film roles over such a long time. But they don't. He's a ridiculous parody of his former self, tirelessly peddling this legal case around, putting his soiled reputation on the line again just in case it make AH look bad.

But it's amazing the number of people who think this is all about a judicial process to find out which of them was the abusive, or the more abusive. It really isn't. And frankly, the but of Depp sitting in the witness stand, ruined beyond recognition by his addictions, acting as though he's the smart one around here while baring his horrible existence for the tabloids - he has no judgement. He is led entirely by his ego.

If the sexes were reversed you wouldnt have have any sympathy for AH

Presumably you think Depp should just man up and accept the abuse from Heard. She seems to have significant history of abusive behaviour. Doesn't excuse Depp, he should have walked earlier and not reacted. Both badly damaged people but AH has her PR team behind her painting her painting her as the poor victim which seems to be at odds with the events, she'll come out on top as she'll play the poor womzn card for lots of sympathy. The main losers are the true victims of abuse male or female as it just makes people turn off.

she'll come out on top as she'll play the poor womzn card for lots of sympathy. The main losers are the true victims of abuse male or female as it just makes people turn off.

Which would all make sense if she was instigating the various court appearances. He's bringing her to court. It's his choice that they're there. She doesn't really have an option but to defend herself in court at this point.

Both badly damaged people but AH has her PR team behind her painting her painting her as the poor victim

He took her to court, not the other way round. He didn't have to play all this out in public, he chose to.

I’m saying I haven’t seen much, the more I think about it, evidence of her being abusive. I think living with that level of aggression and substance abuse would be intolerable.
not sure i understand a pp and the sexes being reversed - if AH was slamming cupboard doors, sending shitty text messages and taking him to court would I feel sympathy? 😫

His text messages reek of misogyny and abuse. The way he refers to women he’s had sex with is revolting.
just seen one about the ‘whore he donated jizz to’ fgs

I don't think anyone is coming out of this with a clean nose, and nobody is a good person.

Just seems to be an absolute mess of a toxic relationship, he's clearly got a long standing substance misuse issue, with a history of rage and criminal damage to property along with poor behaviour including emotional abuse/violence.

She's coming across as a manipulative wind up merchant, placing shit in a bed and also violent/persuing someone who's trying to hide away and goading them.

If either had any sense they'd have kept quiet, parted and said no more, because it's just a mess.

Perhaps some will say JD is just wanting on record it wasn't as one sided as AH was trying to make out, but personally I'd have just taken the hit and moved on, not like he doesn't have enough money in the bank to live off is it. He doesn't need to make any new films or anything he could just retire and carry on partying to his heart's delight, his fanbase will have still stayed by his side.

So she’s not a victim because she’s abusive, but he’s a victim even though he’s proven abusive?

Some solid logic.

Johnny Depp is an actor with considerable star power and resources. It’s apparent that he’s hounding this women both in the court of public opinion and through courts. He’s exposed himself through his text messages alone.

He’s got another court case coming up for an assault on someone else:

deadline.com/2018/07/johnny-depp-sued-assault-city-of-lies-movie-set-1202423367/amp/

And he was also sued by former bodyguards over ‘intolerable’ working conditions:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6569633/amp/Johnny-Depp-settles-lawsuit-two-former-bodyguards-claimed-overworked.html

A lot of posters are passing allegations made against Amber Heard of as proven fact, yet downplaying what has been proven against Johnny Depp.

Interestingly, the video where he claims he was violently reacting to his mother’s death? That’s as filmed three months before she died.

The ‘shit the bed’ thing? Guess who was the one that was texting about taking a shit in front of the bedroom as a prank and asking someone to do it? Johnny Depp.

I agree they are both awful, and I find the idea that people want to excuse her as bizarre as the OP seems to find those that want to accuse him. Maybe some people have never met a truly toxic woman abuser?

But I tend to disagree about "losing careers". I can't imagine why anyone would hire either of them at this point. They'd be total liabilities.

My understanding is that of the £7mil, she said she would donate it. When JD was due to make one of the payments (in stages) he donated it straight to one of the organisations instead of to her, and she was very angry

I don’t really know more than that

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If either had any sense they'd have kept quiet, parted and said no more, because it's just a mess.

I think that was the plan until she wrote a story about him but not naming him

I think that was the plan until she wrote a story about him but not naming him

What about him taking on The Sun?

JD had to pay something crazy like $100 million in taxes. The meeting on her bday was about where all his money had gone, and that he owed the IRS an insane amount of $$. He got ditched from Fantastic Beasts too.

I don’t think he’s as rich as he once was and is doing this because he spent a lot of money on AH and her friends over many years and is angry he’s now not getting work and blaming her. I think he really shouldn’t have taken her to court this time. Its not going to help him find work. He’s in total denial about his substance abuse and the effects it’s had. He’s been angry this whole time that she used him for a platform/leverage then ‘ruined his life’. He’s allowed to think that, but it might not be true and I suppose this case will end that speculation for him once and for all? She has made some serious errors of judgement and horrible decisions in the way she behaved herself. She’s admitted that she would start physical fights. She’s very ‘push pull’ in her behaviour with Jd.

I honestly wish they would both go away and no one would pay them to be in films.

I did hear the recording where she admits to hitting him and initially I thought she was the abusive one because of that - it sounds like he's being very reasonable and she's saying nobody will believe he's a victim. But the more I read and hear about Depp's behaviour, it puts Heard's in quite a different context. She definitely didn't behave well there but he's just so vile in the things he said about her, and the behaviour he describes in his texts when he's apologising or self-aggrandising is more than enough to see his true colours.

Indeed, but even at that point I would have just ignored it. Because I wasn't named, I didn't do it so she must be talking about someone else...if you get my drift. And I would have stuck to that story and taken my millions and lived a life of peace and quiet.

There's dignity in silence, and many would have said "well he didn't challenge it, so he must think it's not about him" and it all would have slipped by over the years and a distant memory.

Seems a fair amount of misandry about on here and the courts are generally biased in favour of women, especially in sentencing

Or he could have made some vague bullshit statement about hating violence against women or supporting all victims. Neither admitting nor denying it. This would have been more or less forgotten (which is wrong, but realistically that's the case). What he's doing is completely self-destructive.

It was too late by that point. Being accused of (and being believed to be) a wife beater is enough to end a career or very seriously damage it. Plus, if you are the victim of abuse wouldn't you get a little fed up of being called the abuser by your abuser in the world's press? There's got to come a point where you think to hell with dignity I'm bringing her down whatever it does to me.