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To ban all links to the Daily Mail on this site

139 replies

TheresaLeafy · 24/04/2022 10:26

And to request that MNHQ do not sell any threads/allow threads to be printed any more in the Daily Mail.

The Angela Rayner article is disgusting, shameful and an insult to every woman. The Daily Mail has no place on this site.

Won’t link the article for obvious reasons. And, please, no one link it either. If you don’t know what it is, then please google it.

OP posts:
PlasticineMeg · 24/04/2022 12:40

Surely you don’t believe that MNHQ can stop the DM printing anything?!

I am far from a DM fan, but I’m less of a fan of censorship.

User0610134049 · 24/04/2022 12:41

🤦‍♀️
this again
threads on this site are in the public domain and don’t ‘belong’ to mumsnet
i don’t think they can ‘stop’ the DM from their lazy journalists reporting on threads.
Although cynically I’m not sure they’d want to anyway as is good publicity for them

PlasticineMeg · 24/04/2022 12:43

TheresaLeafy · 24/04/2022 10:53

Actually I name changed.

I saw the article on Twitter.

Clearly a lot of you think this type of writing is acceptable.

<sighs>

yea, because we don’t expect MNHQ to do the impossible we are all raging misogynists 🙄

I am SO sick of this kind of righteous have-a-paddy-and-thrown-banal-accusations-around-if-you-don’t-agree-with-me attitude. It’s like the general population have lost the power think think logically and debate in a very basic form.

gamerchick · 24/04/2022 12:43

I don't get it. Yes it's sexist and it makes the Tories look bad rather than anything else. Doesnt make Boris look good.

feministqueen · 24/04/2022 12:44

TeenPlusCat · 24/04/2022 10:29

YABU.
You can't ban free speech.
People don't have to click links
Sometimes the Mail is the only one covering certain issues
I don't think MN has control over what the DM lifts from here anyway.

This^^

beastlyslumber · 24/04/2022 12:45

MN can't even make a site with working notifications, so banning links to reporting you don't like might be a bit ambitious.

I'm very heartened by the voting. You can't just ban shit you don't like, OP.

whitewashing · 24/04/2022 12:47

Nah, I’ll read what I like.

ilovesooty · 24/04/2022 13:01

wishitwasaduvetday · 24/04/2022 11:05

Im very sceptical of DM articles, but isn't the issue that THE TORIES have made this ridiculous accusation, not that the DM have reported on it? I think if it is to be believed it says more about the Tories than anything.

They're obviously quite disconcerted by knowing what a woman is.

sst1234 · 24/04/2022 13:59

Regardless of what was in the paper, who made you press authority on what should be linked and what should not be linked in various public forums. Ban? Seriously? You sound like the type of individual that makes cancel culture narrative look real.

Blossomtoes · 24/04/2022 14:19

TheresaLeafy · 24/04/2022 10:53

Actually I name changed.

I saw the article on Twitter.

Clearly a lot of you think this type of writing is acceptable.

<sighs>

Of course we don’t think it’s acceptable. What a ridiculous conclusion to draw. Mind you, you seem to think MN has some control over the press lifting stories from here so …

OrangutanLibrarian · 24/04/2022 14:37

PlasticineMeg · 24/04/2022 12:43

yea, because we don’t expect MNHQ to do the impossible we are all raging misogynists 🙄

I am SO sick of this kind of righteous have-a-paddy-and-thrown-banal-accusations-around-if-you-don’t-agree-with-me attitude. It’s like the general population have lost the power think think logically and debate in a very basic form.

"have a paddy" is racist @PlasticineMeg

Blossomtoes · 24/04/2022 14:39

As a “paddy”, it doesn’t bother me. 🤷‍♀️

DarleneSnell · 24/04/2022 14:40

Oh, get over yourself 🙄

BronwenFrideswide · 24/04/2022 14:41

TheresaLeafy · 24/04/2022 12:29

OK, boycott rather than ban.

I have a very open mind which is why this misogyny has no place in MSM.

People individually can boycott whatever they like, you sound just like the TRAs and MRAs who try to force advertisers to boycott Mumsnet.

An open mind that fails to comprehend the fact the DM are drawing attention to the misogyny of those MPs by the article, your open mind thinks attention should not have been drawn to what those MPs were saying and insinuating?

Comprehension and critical thinking not your forte are they @TheresaLeafy

Theluggage15 · 24/04/2022 14:44

I’m always amazed at how dim you must be to think mumsnet, a public website, can have authority over what the Daily Mail prints.

CareBearsCare · 24/04/2022 14:45

There are no media sources that always get it right. Guardian reporting on women's rights is as damaging as DM reporting on women but it's their business rights to publish what their readers will click. You should be equally concerned by the fact that there is a target audience for that kind of article.

DM aren't the only ones lifting threads from MN btw. It is in MN's interests that people read these articles and register so they certainly won't be stopping journalists from doing this. It's no different from us debating content made by those sites.

Nobody is defending the article- of course it's misogynistic and classist and designed to deflect from the sexual harassment complaints against ministers

middleager · 24/04/2022 14:50

YABU. I disagree with cancel culture and censorship.
The snobbery and self appointed righteousness that equates to DM=bad and The Guardian=enlightened, is worrying.

Where were The Guardian when the whole Jess Bradley or David Challenor stories were unearthed? Where were The Guardian when The Sun was reporting on the sharp and disturbing rise in teenage girls being pushed into clinics to have medication and surgery involving having body parts amputated? A situation likened to the numbers of young girls turning to anorexia? That Sun article was a strong example of investigative , hard-hitting reporting. Meanwhile, at The Guardian, Owen Jones muses over men's hurt feelings.

Viviennemary · 24/04/2022 14:50

Now even more clicks for the DM article OP doesn't want us to read. Its like Father Ted and the banned film episode!

GCAcademic · 24/04/2022 14:57

TheresaLeafy · 24/04/2022 12:29

OK, boycott rather than ban.

I have a very open mind which is why this misogyny has no place in MSM.

The DM is reporting on Rayner's Twitter calling out of the Tories' misogyny. I don't see what it has done wrong in this instance. It's the tory MPs in question that come off badly here.

Ohhhhladz · 24/04/2022 14:59

Are you also wanting all other news sites and where ever else its mentioned banned? I do find it odd the 'ban the DM!' threads.

The DM is the ONLY sizeable UK paper with a subscriber base that includes significantly more women than men. There’s definitely a classist element at play among people choosing particular papers to rail against/ridicule/ban, but when you get “ban the Mail!” and not one word about the comparable but far more virulent Daily Express - which prompted a caution from the UN High Comissioner of Human Rights and whose own editor apologised for fomenting xenophobia - common sense suggests there’s misogyny at play, too.

"Reporting" on material readily available on line has been an irritating habit of various news outlets for years, even very well established ones like the BBC or CNN who’ve been including a selection of topical tweets in their mainstream news coverage for as long as Twitter has existed. But I wonder if the MN/DM link seems especially strong because the outlets with majority male subscriber bases believe that men will be less interested in content explicitly tied to what’s again a fairly rare large-majority-woman media/communications vehicle?

The landscape is a lot more complex now than simply Mail = load of shit.

Absolutely. Also, the almost complete shift from print to online “journalism” has really jumbled the old traditions of specific media outlets catering to specific schools of political and social thought. The really obvious sexism of The Guardian, for example - which became difficult to ignore after their “coverage” of the Cologne incidents, as a few posters have detailed upthread - is quite regressive and extremely socially conservative and would seem to undermine their previous reputation as a “progressive” force.

Good advice from DuncinToffee: if you see an article that’s wrong, biased, widely offensive, contact the publisher and complain about that specific content. However, you can’t do that without reading it, and it seems pretty clear that some (all?) for-profit publications fuel and thrive off of the “outrage clicks”.

I’d have more sympathy right now with an impassioned plea to consider banning links from Russian government-funded and -controlled media (RT, Sputnik, etc.) - not on the grounds of social disapproval or lack of ability of MN’ers to critically evaluate articles, but rather from the stance of economic opposition to funding the Russian government as they commit war crimes in Ukraine.

BigWoollyJumpers · 24/04/2022 15:00

Also, noting OP was on Twitter, by far the biggest purveyor of crap and nonsense.

CareBearsCare · 24/04/2022 15:01

TheresaLeafy · 24/04/2022 12:29

OK, boycott rather than ban.

I have a very open mind which is why this misogyny has no place in MSM.

😂 open mind 😂

You name changed and called for a ban on something. Plus making a post in this has inevitably led to more clicks for DM.

Gingerkittykat · 24/04/2022 15:01

The Angela Rayner article is disgusting and it highlights the horrible misogyny of the unnamed MPs who made those comments and of the DM itself in the way it reported it.

A link to the article could open up a discussion about its contents, rather than banning a link to it.

I'm left wing but make sure I read a range of newspapers, including the DM sometimes, so I don't end up living in an echo chamber.

Helleofabore · 24/04/2022 15:06

TheresaLeafy · 24/04/2022 12:29

OK, boycott rather than ban.

I have a very open mind which is why this misogyny has no place in MSM.

Then you will be banning many other media accounts as well. And absolutely no twitter links.

Nothing good comes of not reading widely, and not reading articles you disagree with. This article was absolutely a piece of trash, but the people it shows up is the politicians who are saying anything like this.

DragonDoor · 24/04/2022 15:12

Blossomtoes · 24/04/2022 14:39

As a “paddy”, it doesn’t bother me. 🤷‍♀️

As an Irish person living in the UK , I find use of the term “paddy” offensive, particularly when aligned with tropes about throwing tantrums, antisocial behaviour/ drunkenness etc.

If it doesn’t bother you and you want to call yourself a paddy, that’s up to you, but not all Irish people share that view.

In relation to the topic of this thread, as a previous poster has pointed out, Mumsnet is a business, so of course won’t ban posters sharing links from news sites, it generates traffic and keeps the conversations going.