To update about The Family Sex Show

[theDudesmummy]

There are active two threads on this in Feminism but I feel I just have to update here for traffic. Although protests appear to have, for now, stopped the theatre production going ahead, new and highly disturbing material has today appeared on their webpage, clearly aimed at children. It (cheerily and breezily) suggests, among other things, that children search for images of masturbating animals on the internet and then draw what they see. I am not going to Google that term, I really don't want that in my history, but first, can you imagine what children will be exposed to if they search that, and second, this is pure and simple grooming of children into being abused. Masturbating animals? What larks! Lets have an arts and crafts session about it! Next steps: Masturbating with Uncle Jim? Why not? Masturbating Uncle Jim? Of course!

I have now made a complaint to CEOP. Others may wish to as well.

Anybody telling children that they absolutely should be engaging with masturbation needs looking at IMO. No adult ever told me to Google images of animals masturbating, draw a penis or 'have a go' at drawing and labelling my own vulva and I managed to work it out all by myself.

Why hide behind all this nonsense about safeguarding?

Oh dear.

The BBC news article on this is atrocious. Completely minimising what the problem is and making out the theatre company have been victimised

What do you expect from the organisation who enabled and hid peadophiles, using public money to do it at that?

As for the idea that the show's organisers should reflect and apologise, forget it. This sort of thing doesn't thrive on reflection, but on the conviction that they're the beacons of progression and that everyone else is a bigoted heathen

This (old) thread seems relevant again:

Oh my god.

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would want to take their child to this? And expose them to those things? Imagine how scarred you'd be as a child if your parent took you to it. I'd be cringing!

@Tilltheend99

Posted too soon.

I think you are all being hysterical and even worse being so deliberately.

It’s fine to disagree with families learning sex education but just say that openly. Why hide behind all this nonsense about safeguarding?

It’s not a play for children it’s a play for families. There is some nudity but it is not nudity in a sexual context, instead it is in a context of choice and consent.

You have shared a bunch of apparent screen shots but no links to this info on the website. I have been reading through the site to see what all the hysteria is about and can’t find these examples!

The U.K. is a free society, so if you are allegedly encouraging violent threats to silence plays that other people make/go to you should probably have a re-think.

According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse.

'hysterical'

disagree with sex education? Have you actually read any of hte posts here? Sex education is great. Some of the people here teach it. It should be age appropriate, I don't understand why this is hard to understand, it's baked into all the government guidance and schools have spent a LOT of time working out how to do this sensitively and carefully.

I've shared direct links and verbatim quotes.

Nobody is suggesting 'not telling children about their bodies', you are fundamentally misunderstanding the criticisms levied at this show.

I just stop reading at 'hysterical'

@Tilltheend99

Posted too soon.

I think you are all being hysterical and even worse being so deliberately.

It’s fine to disagree with families learning sex education but just say that openly. Why hide behind all this nonsense about safeguarding?

It’s not a play for children it’s a play for families. There is some nudity but it is not nudity in a sexual context, instead it is in a context of choice and consent.

You have shared a bunch of apparent screen shots but no links to this info on the website. I have been reading through the site to see what all the hysteria is about and can’t find these examples!

The U.K. is a free society, so if you are allegedly encouraging violent threats to silence plays that other people make/go to you should probably have a re-think.

According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse.

I think you are all being hysterical and even worse being so deliberately. Clumsy attempt at minimising there and tedious sexist use of hysterical rather than informed and knowledgeable criticism alongside shared social mistrust of the inappropriate introduction of sexual material to children.

It’s fine to disagree with families learning sex education but just say that openly. Why hide behind all this nonsense about safeguarding?
That's some misinterpretation there. The specific objections are to the material and content of The Family Sex Show site, podcast, and their scheduled theatre production. NB: safeguarding is an important measure for the protection of children and vulnerable groups of people. It's frankly disturbing to see it characterised as nonsense and I'd be concerned about the agenda of anyone who promotes that view.

It’s not a play for children it’s a play for families. There is some nudity but it is not nudity in a sexual context, instead it is in a context of choice and consent.
It's billed as a play for the 5 and up. You are affecting to be very knowledgeable about the content of a play for which the company was stating it wouldn't release more information about the content and material until April 28 (when performances where scheduled to start on April 29). Commenters on MN have been basing their objections on the very disturbing discussion of consent on the company's website.

You have shared a bunch of apparent screen shots but no links to this info on the website. I have been reading through the site to see what all the hysteria is about and can’t find these examples!
It's unfortunate that your Google seems to be broken. I'd suggest improving your search skills.

The U.K. is a free society, so if you are allegedly encouraging violent threats to silence plays that other people make/go to you should probably have a re-think.
How odd. Screenshots and other people reporting verbatim from the website aren't sufficient for you to believe posters on this thread. However, in the absence of any validated encouragement to violent threats, you're content to accept the company's assurance that they exist.

According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse.
Ah, the NSPCC of sturdy pyjamas, the initial dismissal of complaints about their rubber fetish employee's video (recorded in their loos), and with a striking indifference to a misuse of their name as an imprimatur of respectability to this theatre company's production. Nevertheless, despite their indifferent responses to emails acquiring about the use of their name with this production, it's noticeable that the alleged affiliation disappeared very quickly. I may be wrong, but it seems as if the NSPCC doesn't agree with your characterisation in this instance.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

The BBC news article on this is atrocious. Completely minimising what the problem is and making out the theatre company have been victimised

What do you expect from the organisation who enabled and hid peadophiles, using public money to do it at that?

As for the idea that the show's organisers should reflect and apologise, forget it. This sort of thing doesn't thrive on reflection, but on the conviction that they're the beacons of progression and that everyone else is a bigoted heathen

About time the BBC was let loose. No funding sink or swim.

I agree with you, shocking that they'd even yhink this is acceptable.

WTAF!!!!

@nightwakingmoon

I think there’s an argument that current sex education (though actually I think the DfE statutory PSHE curriculum is quite sensible and decent), could have a greater and more traditionally feminist emphasis on body positivity and normal sexual experience, including being a lot more robust about teaching children the right names for their anatomy, being factual and dismantling taboos around female pleasure, critiquing porn, emphasising consent and personal boundaries, and making kids more aware of challenging sexual harassment and so on.

However, this stuff is emphatically not that. It’s very definitely not positive, healthy and appropriate sex education. Their promotional material makes that very clear.

It’s also, tellingly, got that wide-eyed, faux-“educational” disingenuous tone that I automatically distrust when I hear it from any of the gender ideology/pro sex industry posters on here or on Twitter or whatever.

It’s that “hi kids!” tone that announces that some kind of untruth is being smuggled in (in this case not very well hidden at all, but it’s the same tone of faux reasonableness that pops up when someone’s explaining how webcamming is just so empowering for women, or how it’s just so important that men must always be made to feel “comfortable”). It always seems to appear when we’re being asked to believe that no boundaries are being crossed and there’s nothing to see here, no nothing at all…

100% yes, to all of this.

According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse.

Yes, most parents would agree children need to learn about their bodies but it’s their job to do it at the right age, using age appropriate language. Not a bunch of activists on stage.

@Tilltheend99

Posted too soon.

I think you are all being hysterical and even worse being so deliberately.

It’s fine to disagree with families learning sex education but just say that openly. Why hide behind all this nonsense about safeguarding?

It’s not a play for children it’s a play for families. There is some nudity but it is not nudity in a sexual context, instead it is in a context of choice and consent.

You have shared a bunch of apparent screen shots but no links to this info on the website. I have been reading through the site to see what all the hysteria is about and can’t find these examples!

The U.K. is a free society, so if you are allegedly encouraging violent threats to silence plays that other people make/go to you should probably have a re-think.

According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse.

@Tilltheend99

hmmmmmm, I suspect only a man would come on to a parenting website largely, but not exclusively, consisting of female parents, ie mothers and accuse posters of being hysterical, a loaded comment against women if ever there was one.

Where is your evidence for anyone "encouraging violent threats", because anytime I've read threads on here it is a case of the pen is mightier than the sword?

Mothers and fathers can educate their children about sexual intercourse and human reproduction at home in a safe, caring and loving environment.

Read back through the full thread here, see the images and links that posters have shared, then you will understand the reasonable safeguarding concerns of parents.

At age 5, The Gruffalo, or the like, is an appropriate show. The Family Sex Show is a monstrosity.

There is some nudity but it is not nudity in a sexual context, instead it is in a context of choice and consent.

What's the age of consent? It sure as fuck isn't 5 years old. What's the choice part? Choice of the adult to strip off or choice of the child to view the nakedness? Adults on a stage wanting to strip off in front of children shouldn't be allowed within a million miles of children.

@Seamar

Because masturbation is a natural thing which all children should be engaging in. There’s nothing wrong with it. Animals do it too. You are supposed to understand your own body. This fear of sexuality is why so many women can’t reach orgasm. They are trying to change this for the next generation. Relax.

FOTTFSOFAWYGTFOM HTH Seamar

'According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse.'

Bit of a difference between the pants talk in school and some random website telling kids to google masturbating animals and also that men can have vulvas

Discussion about the softening up to facilitate this sort of Family Sex Show approach dating back to 2018. Interesting for the discussion around the erosion of boundaries as a cause for celebration and a step towards ideological liberation.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237699-Thread-on-twitter-The-paedophilia-plan?pg=1

@CarmenThePanda

Did anyone screen shot the glossary?

The website is down now.

I've just managed to get on the website and can see the glossary.

schoolofsexed.org/team

In case you wanted to meet the team of experts or sexperts behind this very official and experienced sounding organisation....

@Tilltheend99 the bit about looking up animals that masterbate is in the "Zine" section of their website. Well it was still there about 30mins ago (I didn't believe it either till I found it)

DomesticatedZombie somehow I doubt the PP "misunderstood" anything at all, but when you're trying to defend the indefensible a certain technique is required ... and by heck we're seeing it at its worst tonight

defend the indefensible never were truer words spoken Puzzledandpissedoff.

Everyone involved in this show should be investigated and put on a watch list. Fucking Savilles.

@Tiddlesthecat

It's time we as women actually acknowledged the huge part women are now playing in pushing deviance. Women are used to demonising male sexuality and seeing their own as empowering and harmless. They are not used to looking at themselves as a sexual problem, ever.

@Seamar, if it's indeed a normal part of self-exploration as you generalise without any scientific evidence, there is no need for queer adults to be concerning themselves with this topic. It's a perfectly private matter if there ever was one.