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To update about The Family Sex Show

716 replies

theDudesmummy · 19/04/2022 16:36

There are active two threads on this in Feminism but I feel I just have to update here for traffic. Although protests appear to have, for now, stopped the theatre production going ahead, new and highly disturbing material has today appeared on their webpage, clearly aimed at children. It (cheerily and breezily) suggests, among other things, that children search for images of masturbating animals on the internet and then draw what they see. I am not going to Google that term, I really don't want that in my history, but first, can you imagine what children will be exposed to if they search that, and second, this is pure and simple grooming of children into being abused. Masturbating animals? What larks! Lets have an arts and crafts session about it! Next steps: Masturbating with Uncle Jim? Why not? Masturbating Uncle Jim? Of course!

I have now made a complaint to CEOP. Others may wish to as well.

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mrziggycoco · 19/04/2022 21:06

From the website:

Performances of The Family Sex Show by ThisEgg at Tobacco Factory Theatres have been cancelled.

This is due to the unprecedented threats and abuse directed at our building and team.

We are sorry for the disappointment this causes to those who’ve booked. You will be contacted and refunds will be made available

abcdeg · 19/04/2022 21:06

@Seamar

I didn’t say ‘shoulda’. I said should. I won’t be so immature as to call you weird or say anything mean. I will point out that if you read any book about sexuality you will be informed that masturbation is accepted as a normal part of self-exploration and all children, unless asexual, which is fine, should likely be masturbating throughout childhood.
But... you are weird if you think kids 'should' be masturbating and take it upon yourself as an adult to introduce it. That's me being polite to you
BobbyeinArkansas · 19/04/2022 21:07

The irony is that I put this website into my search bar and it was blocked by my broadband provider. Yet it’s suitable for 5 year olds.

Wow.

Organictangerine · 19/04/2022 21:07

‘Unprecedented’ threats and abuse, is it? 🙄

Scianel · 19/04/2022 21:07

Please could posters not PM me about this subject, it's not appropriate.

mrziggycoco · 19/04/2022 21:07

I've just had a look and it's been cancelled and the website is 404 page not found.

SmellyOldOwls · 19/04/2022 21:07

@Seamar

Because masturbation is a natural thing which all children should be engaging in. There’s nothing wrong with it. Animals do it too. You are supposed to understand your own body. This fear of sexuality is why so many women can’t reach orgasm. They are trying to change this for the next generation. Relax.
Who do you think you are to be announcing what children should be doing with their own bodies?
theDudesmummy · 19/04/2022 21:07

@Seamar you literally have no idea what you are talking about

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DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 21:07

@Seamar

I didn’t say ‘shoulda’. I said should. I won’t be so immature as to call you weird or say anything mean. I will point out that if you read any book about sexuality you will be informed that masturbation is accepted as a normal part of self-exploration and all children, unless asexual, which is fine, should likely be masturbating throughout childhood.
Masturbation is accepted as normal.

Yes.

Children 'should' masturbate.

No.

DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 21:09

@Scianel

Please could posters not PM me about this subject, it's not appropriate.
If someone sends unwanted pms you can let MNHQ know; you can do this by reporting your post.
Organictangerine · 19/04/2022 21:10

‘Orienting around pleasure as a community’?

They really want to sound like the am drams branch of P.I.E. dont they?

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FOJN · 19/04/2022 21:11

Because masturbation is a natural thing which all children should be engaging in.

Funnily enough I wasn't taught about masturbation but somehow managed to work it out in my own time. Why are you insisting all children should be masturbating? They will discover it when they are ready not at a time prescribed by adults and frankly it's sinister that adults should hold such an opinion.

Even if we put the most positive spin on this "sex education", it is still projecting adult sexuality onto children which imposes what they will learn and when, regardless of whether it's too early for them.

It does not matter if the theatre company is naïve or well intentioned; the effect is the same. Good intentions should never persuade us to give anyone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safeguarding.

DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 21:11

This (old) thread seems relevant again:

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/991258039511670784?s=19

SageRosemary · 19/04/2022 21:12

@Scianel

Please could posters not PM me about this subject, it's not appropriate.
@Scianel - if you have received an unsolicited and unwanted PM report the PM to Mumsnet, in the past they have banned a user who did this to me
Tilltheend99 · 19/04/2022 21:12

Posted too soon.

I think you are all being hysterical and even worse being so deliberately.

It’s fine to disagree with families learning sex education but just say that openly. Why hide behind all this nonsense about safeguarding?

It’s not a play for children it’s a play for families. There is some nudity but it is not nudity in a sexual context, instead it is in a context of choice and consent.

You have shared a bunch of apparent screen shots but no links to this info on the website. I have been reading through the site to see what all the hysteria is about and can’t find these examples!

The U.K. is a free society, so if you are allegedly encouraging violent threats to silence plays that other people make/go to you should probably have a re-think.

According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse.

Terfydactyl · 19/04/2022 21:13

If someone sends unwanted pms you can let MNHQ know; you can do this by reporting your post

Oh I just blocked that poster from pming?

It wasn't important info anyway.

mrshoho · 19/04/2022 21:15

So glad this pathetic show has been cancelled. Can the BBC and MS media please report the facts that 40,000 + people complained. Will the organisers be investigated? I bloody hope so.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/04/2022 21:15

It is extremely unlikely that the creator or any of the performers are paedophiles

Nobody's said they are, but without doubt paedophiles will be attracted to this sort of activity, and the organisers' judgement is clearly so poor that they'd probably be flattered to be approached by anyone spouting the "correct" jargon

It's a bit ironic reading the comments about Mary Whitehouse's views though. The internet wasn't around when she was really active, but on here - and in other circumstances - I'm pretty sure she'd have been damned to hell and back

Funny old world isn't it?

nightwakingmoon · 19/04/2022 21:15

@Seamar

Because masturbation is a natural thing which all children should be engaging in. There’s nothing wrong with it. Animals do it too. You are supposed to understand your own body. This fear of sexuality is why so many women can’t reach orgasm. They are trying to change this for the next generation. Relax.
Large numbers of us here are mothers, @Seamar, so this is no news to us, I’m afraid. We have been used to saying “yes it’s fine to touch yourself there and yes it feels nice, but it’s for private time only, not in the living room when Auntie Susan comes to visit” since our kids were toddlers.

Teaching children that masturbation is normal just requires a willingness for mums or teachers to explain this in a matter of fact, age-appropriate way that lets the child know it’s normal and fine and not taboo or wrong, but that it’s also something that has appropriate boundaries. It goes along with teaching them that their bodies are theirs, and that no adults (who aren’t their mum or a doctor in a medical setting) should be touching, looking at or talking about their bodies under any circumstances. And what to do and who to tell if anyone tries to touch them there. There is plenty of information out there on what is developmentally appropriate and what is not developmentally appropriate in terms of sexual experiences or curiosity for each age group.

Whereas this show is like getting it all out in front of Auntie Susan and then quite some more. It goes directly against what good sex education for small kids should do. Interacting with adults you don’t know talking to you about what feels good in masturbation is exactly what good sex education should teach kids not to do!

And improving orgasmic potential for women is not an appropriate subject for a “family sex show”. For an informative website or book for teenagers aged 14/16+ maybe. A guide for adult women yes of course. But it is entirely inappropriate for under 14s.

Rococococo · 19/04/2022 21:20

@Seamar masturbation is a normal and harmless part of child development BUT it’s not something that adults should ever get involved with beyond telling the child that it’s ok to touch their own private parts IN PRIVATE.

There is absolutely no need for anyone to speak to them in detail about it other than to make sure they know that they can touch their own private parts but not other people’s and that nobody else should see or touch their genitals or expose their own in front of the child, etc.

Terfydactyl · 19/04/2022 21:22

I think you are all being hysterical and even worse being so deliberately
Women shut up?

It’s fine to disagree with families learning sex education but just say that openly. Why hide behind all this nonsense about safeguarding
Now safeguarding that has been a thing since about 1989 may as well be thrown out, no need for it.

It’s not a play for children it’s a play for families. There is some nudity but it is not nudity in a sexual context, instead it is in a context of choice and consent
Take your 5 year old, your 8 year old AND your 15 year old and all sing the penis song together, the words are there on the website. Not one of you will be embarrassed, or bemused

You have shared a bunch of apparent screen shots but no links to this info on the website. I have been reading through the site to see what all the hysteria is about and can’t find these examples
I cant find it so it doesn't exist, so shut up women.

The U.K. is a free society, so if you are allegedly encouraging violent threats to silence plays that other people make/go to you should probably have a re-think
I dont think notifying the police is that scary, but ok

According to the nspcs own guidance, not telling children about their bodies, sex, or consent could also lead to abuse
The nspcc haven't been fit for purpose for some time.

Artichokeleaves · 19/04/2022 21:23

Becoming increasingly apparent that some people have a very serious problem with boundaries.

RottenInDenmark · 19/04/2022 21:25

They don't know what is right and wrong - the boundaries are blurred for lots of people now, all the kink and bdsm crap. There is no idea of 'sexual morality', it just doesn't exist, neither do the general concepts of what is perverse or deviant, this language is just disappearing.

I was part of the sex positivity several years ago, and the reasons I moved in those circles ended up being the reasons I left.

I became part of it because I didn't understand quite how violated I'd been as a child, and I was looking for something to heal me.

What I didn't realise back then was that a) what I was really seeking out was the original wound, ie. the abuse, and b) that when you work on the fringe of what is acceptable, it attracts people who are also wounded. This is all hidden - even from many of the protagonists themselves - by a sense of specialness conferred by being edgy and out of the ordinary.

The problem is that these fringe areas weren't regulated, and managed to find their way into the mainstream because there was no regulatory framework that recognised them. My particular field of work (which was exclusively for adults) was a "legal grey area" inasmuch as no current laws had ever factored it in.

This is how things like this gain traction. They are a novelty; they garner interest; because the pool of participants is small, 'experts' are made relatively quickly. There are no governing bodies outside the industries themselves. They are accountable only to each other.

The plain truth of the matter is that many "healing paradigms" (because that's what they see themselves as) attract wounded healers, who end up perpetuating abusive patterns. There is little to no psychological training in any of these approaches; scant recognition of psychological trauma or how to deal with it; no cognisance of unconscious motives and their power to wreak destruction.

I can see very clearly how this happened, and what we're up against here is not only a kind of mob mentality, but also an inability of that mob to reflect on their own damaged-ness or on the very real risks inherent in damaging others in the name of "sexual liberation". It is a fucking mess.

(Name-changed. I've been here for many years.)

Terfydactyl · 19/04/2022 21:26

@Artichokeleaves

Becoming increasingly apparent that some people have a very serious problem with boundaries.
You put that so nicely, I was going with brains fell out, well if they had a brain it would've fallen out. Alongside some swear words.
VestofAbsurdity · 19/04/2022 21:26

Ah the apologists and let's break down children's sexual barriers crew have arrived I see using that well known misogynistic insult - hysterical - and deeming safeguarding as nonsense.