This government and their direction of travel, frightens me.

[Kendodd]

Teressa May (last government, but same party) with her 'go home immigrants' vans and hostle environment.
Immigration and Borders act.
Transportation to Rwanda.
Bringing laws in trying to limit our right to protest.
Lying to the queen to prorogue parliament.
Lying in the house of commons.
Trying to change the law to get one of your MPs off.
Pretty much ripping up the ministerial code.
Windrush.
Admitting that they're just going to break international law.

I bet they will come after the human rights act and try to get us out of ECHR.

Worse, I think a great many of the public love the fact they've done all the above and would cheer loudly at the ripping up of the human rights act and ECHR membership (wtaf?)

How did we get to this?

The government have done a fabulous job of pointing the finger at immigration as the cause of the tabloid reading public. Whilst they break laws, help mates and basically piss on anyone who isn’t wealthy.

What is terribly sad is that they’ve essentially normalised ingrained racism - not just white on black or brown, but white on anything ‘different’. There are many, many solutions to the problems we all face now, but they are not considered by a government with no appetite to force those with 10 houses to perhaps share their wealth, or tax energy companies, like other countries have, or discourage second home ownership to stop the runaway problems with housing, or making university and going into medicine more attractive, or force home builders to build all green, or tax fast food massively and reduce fruit and veg prices to help stem the obesity tide.

Because somehow, the English person of honour, virtue and courage has vanished, and replaced with people full of hate who lack compassion

#Notinmyname

@Florenz

There is no shortage of workers, there's a shortage of employers willing to pay decent wages.

But then the bosses would not be able to keep getting richer at everyone else's expense.

@Kendodd

The poster doesn't have to leave. I didn't tell them too (unlike someone who told me to fuck off to North Korea earlier int he thread) I just said if their perception of this lovely country is as they described then they know where the door is. They can choose to live in all those wonderful countries that are so much better, with such nice people if we disgust her so much

I think this post shows real ignorance of immigration. If you only have a UK passport, the only foreign country you have a legal right to just move to, is Ireland, everywhere else has strict entry requirements for relocation. The days of just being able to move to Europe for UK passport holders are over.

I guess that means I will have to cancel my plans to 'fuck off to North Korea' as a lovely earlier poster ordered me to do then! Perhaps you could point out their ignorance of immigration laws too?

Or is the condescending strawman just for those who don't agree with your virtue signalling pearl clutching?

@feedyourheed why is showing compassion to their humans virtue signalling? Wtf is wrong with you?

[quote Bunnyfuller]@feedyourheed why is showing compassion to their humans virtue signalling? Wtf is wrong with you?[/quote]
WTF is wrong with you? Can't you read?

@mumda

Can you get a GP appointment? Do you have a dentist? Can your kids find a house to rent at a sensible price? Are there more housing developments being put in near you?

All problems aggravated by increased population.

Pressure on resources don't go away by adding more people.

People in this country need to stop having so many children

@leotardrock

If we haven't got enough people to fill the roles for the work that needs doing, doctors nurses, social care, hospitality fruit pickers then then we should be encouraging immigration

If we haven't got the social infrastructure to support the people to do the jobs we need them to do then that's on the Govt - not the immigrants!

Makes sense to me. We blamed immigration for years when our country has been dependent on it. This was due to lack of resources through austerity and cuts, yet people seem to think if there is no immigration the lack of housing and services will repair itself when those services have been dependent on immigration in the first place. Our issue is a government and its policies, not immigration.

Some close European friends of mine who lived here 10-15 years prior to 2019 went back home. This was before we officially left EU. They left because it is shit here! They started families and realized that they would never own a house and would barely be able to pay their rent and give their children a good life due to extortionate childcare fees and no family around to help in this area. They could see no future here with the cost of housing and everything else.

[quote Bunnyfuller]@feedyourheed why is showing compassion to their humans virtue signalling? Wtf is wrong with you?[/quote]
compassion is so woke.

[quote maducks]@Dontevenstart we can't let everyone in. It's just not viable [/quote]
We can let as many as we can in.
We can try to make a better life for the less fortunate, instead of making the split between the less fortunate and the insanely wealthy even greater AND CONTINUING TO VOTE FOR THOSE WHO WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THAT DIVIDE.

Jesus. Some of the opinions on this thread. What the hell have we raised? Such nasty, selfish, callous comments from some.

Quite apart from what we think about asylum seekers, why the fuck would anyone think that shipping them off to be someone else’s problem is ok? Pure colonialist exceptionalism. We’re nothing special. Why should another country have to process refugees with legitimate claims to asylum in the UK?

@AlohaMolly too right! I hope to see it in my lifetime!

People seem to forget that our entire nation is based on immigration throughout the centuries. From the Romans to the Vikings to the French Normans, we are all the products of immigrants. Nevermind the wonderful cultures that have come over in the last century or so. We are a rich and vibrant nation all thanks to immigration.

@ohwellnevermindthen -- for decades. It has been decades, not years. Maybe even a century. #fact

@Timeforausernamechange22

People seem to forget that our entire nation is based on immigration throughout the centuries. From the Romans to the Vikings to the French Normans, we are all the products of immigrants. Nevermind the wonderful cultures that have come over in the last century or so. We are a rich and vibrant nation all thanks to immigration.

Whilst you are 100% right (this country has no authentic indigenous people at all thanks to the previous harsh climate) I had to laugh at your post seeing as all three 'immigration' examples were invaders that slaughtered the people already living here in order to take over.

compassion is so woke

I might get that tattooed.

Now I don’t really believe he stories myself, but there’s been this rumour for the last 2022years about some dude named Jesus who went around telling everyone to be compassionate. Not quite a new concept
#jesusiswoke

[quote KyieveMii]@GreenLunchBox I’m not sure. If I’m honest I think my time here is nearing the end. Many friends left through Brexit or hostile environments. The UK has served us well I know in the past, we stayed for a reason. But I also feel the pull of living and lifestyle has waned, and the hostility has risen. I don’t feel part of the UK.
I know someone will say ‘well fuck off then’. I am, I’m just planning it sensibly for my family rather than rushing.[/quote]
I agree with you. When I saw someone had tagged me in this thread I assumed it would be a "fuck off then if you don't like it" -type person. That's what Britain has become. Xenophobic, hostile. Subpar standard of living. The Tories have destroyed this country.

How about we start with the less fortunate of this country before we try to solve the problems of the rest of the world?

Immigration just makes the gap between rich and poor even wider, look at what has happened in the last 20 years. Immigration exploded, landlords were able to make a fortune splitting up what used to be homes for a single family into HMOs. Jobs that used to pay enough to raise a family suddenly only paid minimum wage.

Why on earth people who call themselves "left wing" are pro immigration and pro refugee is beyond me. And it's no wonder working-class people don't want to vote for the left anymore, when you see some of the abject hatred directed at normal people who think that British people should take priority over immigrants, whether refugees or not.

@devildeepbluesea David Cameron, on his visit to Jamaica in 2015. Very imperious. I will never forget this. My mother emigrated as a citizen of the Commonwealth and was a midwife for 5 years in England and Wales. Birthed many babies, cared for many mothers. She loved the culture, but the people did not love her. They looked for her tail beneath her dress.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/jamaica-should-move-on-from-painful-legacy-of-slavery-says-cameron

@feedyourheed well yes probably not the best examples but it’s late and the covid-brain fog is quite real and that’s as much as my mushy brain can think up right now. I’m sure there are much better examples of the recent benefits to immigration

@Florenz Remember the lesson about the sun not setting on the Empire? The Empire never went away. We are here, sun goes down and up, And it is ever hotter here because of the things that England profited from. Ever hotter.

Why on earth people who call themselves "left wing" are pro immigration and pro refugee is beyond me. And it's no wonder working-class people don't want to vote for the left anymore, when you see some of the abject hatred directed at normal people who think that British people should take priority over immigrants, whether refugees or not

Who said anything about priority?

We can do both - it's not an either we support the poorer people of the UK or we support refugees.

@cakeorwine

Why on earth people who call themselves "left wing" are pro immigration and pro refugee is beyond me. And it's no wonder working-class people don't want to vote for the left anymore, when you see some of the abject hatred directed at normal people who think that British people should take priority over immigrants, whether refugees or not

Who said anything about priority?

We can do both - it's not an either we support the poorer people of the UK or we support refugees.

No we are only allowed to think about one thing at a time.

I think I love you @jgw1.

@OuttaBabylon it’s shameful. We’re a nasty, racist, small-minded little anachronism. And seven years on from that article were even worse.

@OuttaBabylon

I think I love you *@jgw1*.

Thank you, it is very kind of you to say so. Just goes to show not everyone is nasty.

[quote devildeepbluesea]@OuttaBabylon it’s shameful. We’re a nasty, racist, small-minded little anachronism. And seven years on from that article were even worse.[/quote]
Speak for yourself.