This government and their direction of travel, frightens me.

[Kendodd]

Teressa May (last government, but same party) with her 'go home immigrants' vans and hostle environment.
Immigration and Borders act.
Transportation to Rwanda.
Bringing laws in trying to limit our right to protest.
Lying to the queen to prorogue parliament.
Lying in the house of commons.
Trying to change the law to get one of your MPs off.
Pretty much ripping up the ministerial code.
Windrush.
Admitting that they're just going to break international law.

I bet they will come after the human rights act and try to get us out of ECHR.

Worse, I think a great many of the public love the fact they've done all the above and would cheer loudly at the ripping up of the human rights act and ECHR membership (wtaf?)

How did we get to this?

@Alexandra2001 But just a few weeks ago in parliament I heard Boris going on about how he is a tax cutter and on and on he went. So I am afraid you must be mistaken.

I want them to be strict with sorting out the migrant situation. As do a lot of people. It despairs me that people can quite clearly see that our NHS is at breaking point, schools are over subscribed, there are waiting lists of 2 years plus for housing throughout the country, the country is trying to recover economically after covid where government had to lay out millions in rescue packages, yet they will say that we should let everyone in, despite the above. The people who shriek the loudest about not having limits on accepting migrants/refugees in are those whose children attend private schools, are home owners and have private medical care. They are so wrapped up in their own bubbles that they refuse to see the bigger picture. People fleeing their countries from persecution can seek refuge in the first safe country they arrive 8n. They don't need to travel across several safe countries to reach a safe place.

"The people who shriek the loudest about not having limits on accepting migrants/refugees in are those whose children attend private schools, are home owners and have private medical care. They are so wrapped up in their own bubbles that they refuse to see the bigger picture."

Not true. The single demographic most opposed to immigration are fairly wealthy retirees according to YouGov.

@SleeplessInEngland

"The people who shriek the loudest about not having limits on accepting migrants/refugees in are those whose children attend private schools, are home owners and have private medical care. They are so wrapped up in their own bubbles that they refuse to see the bigger picture."

Not true. The single demographic most opposed to immigration are fairly wealthy retirees according to YouGov.

Which proves my point in part as wealthy retirees don't rely on the services that are affected by mass immigration.

[quote lollipoprainbow]@Alexandra2001 hilarious that the UK is deemed a shitty island by so many posters here, mm I wonder why so many are keen to come here then if its that bad???? [/quote]
You’ve got an odd sense of humour.

Maybe the fact that people are free to state their opinions, even negative ones, is appealing to those fleeing countries that they’d risk incarceration, torture and death for doing the same. In fact it sounds like you might find one of these countries suits you better?

That was meant to go to sleeplessinenglands post.

"Which proves my point in part as wealthy retirees don't rely on the services that are affected by mass immigration."

It doesn't prove your point: you said wealthy people didn't care about immigration. The data shows a subset of wealthy people do, the most of all in fact.

Maducks aren't we in desperate need of workers in most sectors? Couldn't this country benefit from massive investment in culture/ transforming to a green economy? We should feel lucky people want to move here, it's fantastic for our country.

The direction of travel really worries me too.

We have 6m on NHS waiting lists, not enough housing particularly in cities with jobs and many other negatives. We have18m more people in the Uk than when I was born - not all of course from immigration and that includes 1m illegal immigrants who we presumably will never remove.

"During the first three decades of the twentieth century the UK
experienced net emigration of around 80,000 a year. For the next three decades, from 1931 to 1961, the flow of migration turned inward, with average net immigration of around 19,000 a year. Net emigration returned between 1961 and 1981, but at lower levels than earlier in the century, averaging around 20,000 a year. After 1991, annual net migration began to increase, reaching levels of greater than 100,000 a year in the first decade of the twenty-first century, as recorded in the LTIM and IPS estimates". researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/SN06077.pdf

Actually some of the worst mentalities are among those who actually are here due to asylum status , or their parents were. It’s a case of well I’m here now- stuff anyone else. Look at the current cabinet for details!! One thing I don’t think people have gathered is that it’s not going to Rwanda for processing— it’s a one way deportation! We need to get to the bottom of the gangs )and often home grown gangs in the south east) making big bucks from encouraging people to come to the UK in insecure ways and stop feeding them lies about it being an easy ride . As someone else said it would make far more sense to actually have proper processing via consulates in other places and to apply whilst not in UK

The global population has increased by approximately 4 billion since 1961. It’s ridiculous to suggest that immigration is the root cause of lack of resources in the UK. We cannot separate ourselves from the rest of the world in a doomed attempt at preserving a relic of a society stuck in the 60’s.

Resources are stretched with population increases but with more people a larger workforce and more skills are available. We choose not to use them, we choose to not invest in getting the best and therefore miss out on the advantages of a larger population.

The world has moved on and it’s ridiculous to hark back to over fifty years ago as if it should be a template for now.

@Cornettoninja no I'm happy here thanks. I don't feel the need to slag off England.

Good to know 👍

‘Slagging off’ is interpretation. Criticism isn’t slagging off, recognising how things look from different view points isn’t slagging off. Slagging off implies you’re taking a broadly aimed statement very personally. It’s not about you as an individual.

How does anything improve if criticism is shouted down? How does understanding of why things are as they are develop if criticism is shut down without exploration?

It’s quite common to ‘look at things critically’ in the sense that stepping back and looking for flaws improves things overall.

The people who shriek the loudest about not having limits on accepting migrants/refugees in are those whose children attend private schools, are home owners and have private medical care.

Mega Lolz!

[quote lollipoprainbow]@Cornettoninja no I'm happy here thanks. I don't feel the need to slag off England. [/quote]
Just England?? You do realise the UK is more than just one tiny country don't you.

No one is slagging off England. Just our shit Government that has so many voters hoodwinked. HTH.

@PurpleThursdays so sorry I meant UK.

No, it's fine, it just proves the mentality of Little Englanders through and through.

We have 6m on NHS waiting lists, not enough housing particularly in cities with jobs and many other negatives. We have18m more people in the Uk than when I was born - not all of course from immigration and that includes 1m illegal immigrants who we presumably will never remove

Favouring tax cuts over public spending is the root cause of the problems you list plus political dogma i.e. Don't build Social Housing.
Or deliberate "Don't provide enough nurse training places"

1m illegals? they won't be claiming any benefits or using services and whose fault is it they are here?

We need an ID card system.

What is so terribly wrong about not allowing illegal immigrants (hopeful economic migrants) into our country?

@Tippexy

What is so terribly wrong about not allowing illegal immigrants (hopeful economic migrants) into our country?

They are not illegal unless their application fails. The majority c75% are granted leave to remain in the U.K. what would you expect someone from somewhere like Syria or Afghanistan to do ? Why is it ok for Ukrainians to come to the U.K. but not a Syrian?

Parker231 the answer to that question has so much more to do with skin colour than people will ever admit to.

I don't support either. Colour is not important to me as long as people of all colours comply with our laws.

@Tippexy

What is so terribly wrong about not allowing illegal immigrants (hopeful economic migrants) into our country?

They are foreign and speak different.

@Perfect28

Parker231 the answer to that question has so much more to do with skin colour than people will ever admit to.

Unfortunately yes. The U.K. is becoming more like parts of America where it’s all about ‘I’ and not ‘We’.