Just when you think this government can't get any worse - now they are going to send asylum seekers to Rwanda

[daimbarsatemydogsbone]

I didn't vote for this shower. The problem with people arriving (if they make it) in small boats needs addressing but AIBU that sending them on a one way trip to Rwanda isn't the answer?

@SleeplessInEngland

Interestingly, the government's own website advises that if you're LGBT you shouldn't travel to Rwanda. So that's good.

That'll be fun. Instant human rights issue, therefore, by sending people to Rwanda, so they'll have to make an exception for all asylum seekers claiming to be gay, bisexual or trans. That'll give the Daily Mail seizures.

@pussycatunpickingcrossesagain

I honestly had to go into the kitchen and check the date on the calendar...it's not the 1st. 🤯

No, but the PM does have a very good reason for wanting to get people talking about something different.

@Choopi

Only because we have chosen to give them visas before they arrive. If we did the same for other refugees, then they wouldn't be asylum seekers either. The principal is the same.

Of course. Temporary visas could be offered to Afghans and Syrians too. I think a lot people would be in favour in this. A year or 2 in the UK then off you go back home.

If someone has had to leave their home and their country for fear of persecution, how would that be guaranteed to change within a couple of years?

@Soffit

The ideological infection is not just a British problem, it has also been propagated all over the Third World.

The entire history of the world has been entirely reframed as the history of emancipation so nobody will blame the migrants for breaking through every border and barrier they want and relaying their heroic escape tales in 'safe spaces' to hyper-psychologized British aid workers where 'there's no moral judgment' and 'everyone's victimhood is valid'.
It is a foolproof way of destroying a civilization from within.

I feel like you're just one post away from bringing up The Great Reset theory.

Well it’s a vote winner

I don’t understand how Europe collectively have not been able to manage this issue better

I also had to check the date today. They have lost the plot....how on earth do they think this will save peoples lives? It isn't going to curb human trafficking, the traffickers still get their money and they don't give a flying fuck what happens to the people being trafficked.

I thought they had reached a new low when they said it was ok to shoot dinghies in the channel, but this is something else.

Dont even get me started on how they have the money for this and yet they will do absolutely jack shit about the cost of living crisis they created.

"Well it’s a vote winner"

Nah. An election's two years away and the boats will keep coming.

People tend to go where they have relatives if they can. The UK is a big country (population-wise) and has (greatly to its benefit) a lot of people from other countries living in it. This increases the chances that people are going to have a relative in the UK. Not everyone tries to come to the UK. There are plenty wanting to settle in Germany, Scandinavia, etc wherever their relatives live.

The narrative that its about the UK benefits system in some way is a right-wing trope and utterly wrong.

@HRTQueen

Well it’s a vote winner

I don’t understand how Europe collectively have not been able to manage this issue better

Maybe because the UK made it clear we didn't want to be part of any European solution?

It's worrying when the people who are debating these topics don't even have a basic understanding of the terms that they are using. We will never have a humane policy towards those fleeing war and persecution if people remain ignorant of the basic facts.

Tories have been looking to the next election form the day after the last election

This is why they win …. If it backfires (which I don’t think it will with many of their supporters) they will pull the plug in this and also has time to be stopped in other ways

Labour need to learn from this set our plans look forward the reaction and learn

@HRTQueen

Well it’s a vote winner

I don’t understand how Europe collectively have not been able to manage this issue better

Is it? I wouldn’t be too sure about that.

@theDudesmummy

People tend to go where they have relatives if they can. The UK is a big country (population-wise) and has (greatly to its benefit) a lot of people from other countries living in it. This increases the chances that people are going to have a relative in the UK. Not everyone tries to come to the UK. There are plenty wanting to settle in Germany, Scandinavia, etc wherever their relatives live.

The narrative that its about the UK benefits system in some way is a right-wing trope and utterly wrong.

I don't think it's about benefits either, they hope to work and support themselves, eventually and I understand the family reasons etc for preferring to be here, but I don't understand why that preference is worth dying for.

Set out plans and look at the reaction …

@AlexaShutUp

It's worrying when the people who are debating these topics don't even have a basic understanding of the terms that they are using. We will never have a humane policy towards those fleeing war and persecution if people remain ignorant of the basic facts.

Surely that's the very reason to discuss these things with all sorts. Then you can edicate us. Thank you.

Yes, the LGBT issue is not going to have been missed. Why would someone who has a poor chance of being allowed to stay in the UK and a high chance of being sent to Rwanda not just claim to be gay or trans? There would be a huge incentive to do so, because their lawyers would then be able to argue that their human rights will not be protected in Rwanda. This would then affect the statistics and create suspicion of genuinely gay and trans people fleeing persecution. This has NOT been thought through and it is a moral and legal complete mess.

No it’s not on here blossom

But MN is never the place to gauge what the majority think or vote for

@theDudesmummy

Yes, the LGBT issue is not going to have been missed. Why would someone who has a poor chance of being allowed to stay in the UK and a high chance of being sent to Rwanda not just claim to be gay or trans? There would be a huge incentive to do so, because their lawyers would then be able to argue that their human rights will not be protected in Rwanda. This would then affect the statistics and create suspicion of genuinely gay and trans people fleeing persecution. This has NOT been thought through and it is a moral and legal complete mess.

You can identify as whatever you choose unless you've arrived in a boat?

@HRTQueen

No it’s not on here blossom

But MN is never the place to gauge what the majority think or vote for

It won't be in the 'real world' either when the boats keep coming. Everyone in favour of this seems to conveniently ignore that part.

This from the Guardian feed: "Patel says people resettled in Rwanda will be given support for up to five years, covering training, accommodation and healthcare, so they can resettle and thrive".

So you are going to settle a group of people in an extremely poor country (most people under $2 a day) and provide them with all kinds of support that the local people there can't access? Like free accomodation and European standard healthcare? I wonder what the local people will make of the group? I can't see them being thrilled, well some criminals may be thrilled at the propect of exploiting such people. But are they really going just integrate into Rwandan society? What a stupid stupid stupid idea. Even for the Tories this is a new level of shit.

OctopusSay

How long have Greece said they need support and Italy

It’s not a new issue it was an issue while we were still in the EU. It’s an issue that no one really want to tackle head on. The Syrian crises was different as is the Ukraine crises

Not every European country is in the EU but all can support each other (and I would include Turkey) but it’s an issue that they hope will go away and half dealt with

@Soffit

The ideological infection is not just a British problem, it has also been propagated all over the Third World.

The entire history of the world has been entirely reframed as the history of emancipation so nobody will blame the migrants for breaking through every border and barrier they want and relaying their heroic escape tales in 'safe spaces' to hyper-psychologized British aid workers where 'there's no moral judgment' and 'everyone's victimhood is valid'.
It is a foolproof way of destroying a civilization from within.

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Surely that's the very reasontodiscuss these things with all sorts. Then you can edicate us. Thank you.

Well, I agree that there would be a value in debating things if people who knew nothing would actually admit that. The problem is when people start spouting misinformation as fact, as others may believe what they are saying.

@cansu

So vulnerable people will be sent to a place with a terrible record of human rights abuses. Yes that sounds a really good idea. Ffs this is awful. You could not make it up.

It’s male economic migrants.

Not refugees.