Just when you think this government can't get any worse - now they are going to send asylum seekers to Rwanda

[daimbarsatemydogsbone]

I didn't vote for this shower. The problem with people arriving (if they make it) in small boats needs addressing but AIBU that sending them on a one way trip to Rwanda isn't the answer?

@theDudesmummy

I see now that the UK is investing £120 million in developments in Rwanda to make this work. That A LOT of lucrative contracts for chums, by God! Bring on the cake in the tuppperware box and let's have a knees up.

And the reality is that that is not going to be anything like enough, particularly as much of it will go into the pockets of members of the corrupt government and their mates (hmm, maybe you can see why the idea is attractive to Johnson). To avoid very credible challenges, they need to ensure that Rwanda can offer an adequate, reasonably sophisticated health system, reasonable housing and opportunities for employment, a non-corrupt justice system and police with adequate legal and human rights protections, a good education system ... The reality is that we're talking billions.

Why not just put £120 million into our own infrastructure instead, God knows it needs it?

Don’t know if this has been mentioned, but has just been on regional north eastern news. A disused air base is going to be repurposed for immigrant placement. Including the former personnel houses which are now being used for housing association homes. Residents are being given 6 months to find new homes. (No word if the HA will rehome) but families will need to move away from work, schools and friends, which strikes me as unfair.

Could have been worse, we could have sent them to Scotland?

@Fulmine precisely. As I said earlier in the thread, the ony way to prevent wholesale legal challenge would be to provide a health service (and all the other services) in a country which has none of those things. That will be a bit pricey. Rwanda is small but it is very poor and you would be starting from a very low base.

I have had patients who successfully challenged being sent back to Rwanda and many other countries because they were on chronic medicatiion that was either not available there or not available to someone with their level of resources. Happens all the time.

[quote theDudesmummy]@Fulmine precisely. As I said earlier in the thread, the ony way to prevent wholesale legal challenge would be to provide a health service (and all the other services) in a country which has none of those things. That will be a bit pricey. Rwanda is small but it is very poor and you would be starting from a very low base.

I have had patients who successfully challenged being sent back to Rwanda and many other countries because they were on chronic medicatiion that was either not available there or not available to someone with their level of resources. Happens all the time.[/quote]
I think this policy is quite different, which that these asylum seekers will not be seeing someone like you at all, let alone getting medication which is expensive. A five day turn around would suggest that the Government are very very keen to ensure that no asylum seeker build links or seeks services from the UK with those standards.

Playing devil’s advocate here- could they really be described as “fleeing” if they’ve travelled through 3 or 4 perfectly safe countries before getting on the boat in Calais? As far as I’m aware there’s no war taking place in France. Or Italy. Or many of the other places they’ve passed through and chosen not to remain in.

I don't think it's about benefits either, they hope to work and support themselves, eventually and I understand the family reasons etc for preferring to be here, but I don't understand why that preference is worth dying for.

It's definitely not about benefits, because asylum seekers aren't entitled to benefits. They have "no recourse to public funds" until they are granted refugee status.

Although, just to exercise the frothing, Daily Mail-reading right, some benefits can be backdated when refugee status is granted.

This is a great idea - Rwanda is a poor third world country that will make some money and it off loads asylum seekers which no country really wants, win win 👍

@Hippoevens

This is a great idea - Rwanda is a poor third world country that will make some money and it off loads asylum seekers which no country really wants, win win 👍

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Just when you think you've heard it alll... Weren't they going to send people to Albania? Ascension Island? Boris said a year ago that Rwanda had questionable human rights that we should be concerned about, but all of a sudden it's - quote - "one of the safest countries in the world." Just unbelievable. These people really are a gift to Labour and Labour need to step up.

@theDudesmummy

I can't believe I am as one with Farage. I need to sit down.

That gave me a shock, too!

If even Farage thinks it's a bad idea, it must be really bad.

Fulmine I think it’s more to do with the elections on a few weeks time than distraction from party gate and if the plan works even for a fraction of people that good for the the next election if not then another scheme shall be decided on - it’s the doing something that counts immigration particularly of young man is a hot topic look across the border at France

Party gate ship has sailed now we have the report coming out next week but he has been fined few MP’s have called for his resignation it’s old news

I would take anything what Farage says with a pinch of salt. This is exactly the sort of policy he would have put forward

He is still bitter against being pushed aside in the referendum. It was him that led us there

It’s old news until the next lot of fines.

You really think he is going over the fines ?

He would have by now if that was to happen he certainly isn’t going to do the right thing and resign

There is a crises in Europe which has worked in his favour

Happy days

@lemongreentea

Tory votes will be delighted.

The UK is a cesspit of racist arseholes.

My thoughts exactly!!

@HRTQueen

You really think he is going over the fines ?

He would have by now if that was to happen he certainly isn’t going to do the right thing and resign

There is a crises in Europe which has worked in his favour

No, he won’t go - his MPs are cowards. But it will make people angry again, take up the news cycle and diminish whatever else they’re trying to get people to focus on. But they’ve decided to weather it, and they’ll pay for that.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone. I agree with your post, we actually need to get down to the root cause of why they are coming here when already clearly in France or Belgium. (Usually France) — a relative of mine was high up on the police side of border force and said one big problem was gangs of blokes from Essex and Kent and south London enticing people to do this for large sums of cash by claiming it was ‘easy’ to get houses and benefits and work’ - none of which is true. A few of these gangs sadly are immigrants already here —-but far more so are white home grown scumbags. We need to be actively finding out who these dinghy crossers have been paying and get rid of the enablers- personally I think a 1 way ticket to Rwanda for the enablers would be perfect. The estimated cost if put into ‘full production’ Is 1.4 billion a year— for that we could be keeping them in the Ritz as Chris Bryant stated. The lack of social housing etc that others mention has nothing to do with refugees allowed to stay — the numbers are actually not that high. It is because demand has risen due to unaffordable private rented and owner occupier in relation to earnings and right to buy — a terrible option— I know at least 4 people who fiddled that system buying for relatives and then selling on at huge profits within a couple of years and a total lack of building anything on social rent market that family sized!!! Thing is though logical and practical and ethical solutions don’t appeal to the rabid Daily Express/Mail contingent who are obsessed that this countries ills are all due to that Polish plumber or the young Syrian family and not due to a complete lack of control of the government actually governing and not just constantly covering their backs to keep UKippers on side — and I’m not some rabid hard left winger- very much a centrist — but this bunch of Johnson sycophants are just a nasty bunch of ambitious shits pandering to the lowest bar.

France has major racial issues - just look at Le Pen’s success. Shouldn’t surprise anyone a Middle Eastern wouldn’t want to hang around.

I really don’t think it will. Those who are angry will still be angry many just don’t care that much and when stories get dragged out (as this has for months) it’s loses the impact it first had. Was you shocked he was fined ? I wasn’t

The focus is votes

Labour need to come out with a policy that they would put in place or announce they are working at putting a together an option not just cries of this is awful/wrong those that disagree know this already but it’s an issue that has to be addressed

If Macron wins he will absolutely have to appease the far right this in turn can make the issue foe the UK more difficult to manage

The most desperate are pawns in politics (not new)

But 'Boris' said something good about women, once, despite treating wonen like shit all his life, so Mumsnet will be voting Tory no matter what over atrocities they commit.

Yep. Anyone who thinks Boris and his mates are really friends to women needs their cognitive dissonance settings adjusting. The "But Boris knows what a woman is" brigade never seem to look at the actual effects of the Tories' policies (or they're too rich to care).

How anyone can still vote for these heartless self serving Tory tossers is beyond me.

The "But Boris knows what a woman is" brigade never seem to look at the actual effects of the Tories' policies (or they're too rich to care)

That’s the crux of it. It’s a middle class woman’s luxury.

It’s what many want to hear from Starmer and other senior Labour mp’s

No one thinks Boris Johnson is a closet feminist

again it’s something Labour can fix they can act on but haven’t

Why are Labour dragging their heels so much. Do you think Tony Blair and Gordon Brown wouldn’t have been all over the issue. Their focus was on voters not on internal party arguments and policies that suit a few on the left of the party or friends of Labour